Author Topic: Is the Tempest really better than the La7? (Read 1241 times)

OIO · « **Reply #45 on:** October 21, 2002, 10:44:35 PM »

Tempest and La7 are very similar I think thats the whole point.

La7 is a biiiiit slower, has worse guns and ammo and not as good high speed control.

But both planes have the 2 elements that make them superior: excellent acceleration and cannons.

straffo · « **Reply #46 on:** October 22, 2002, 01:26:09 AM »

leave my typhoon alone !

Or I'll squeak about those fast roller 190 fast climbing 109 and so on ...

Frankly MAN I don't see any reason to discuss about the hispano and the elevator authority in this thread

And if you're jealous of what can be do in a tiffy just fly it

You will soon notice what you can't do in a typhoon.

Wotan · « **Reply #47 on:** October 22, 2002, 02:07:02 AM »

The la7 doesnt get 3 ShVAKs it gets 3 B-20s.

The 2 ShVAKs should hit harder then the b-20s. But in ah theres no difference I can tell.

I would take 2 x ShVAKS @ 200 rpg then 3 b-20s @ 150 rpg.

You only get 50 extra rounds. If modelled right the ShVAKS oughts be more lethal.

How many 3 b-20 canno la-7s were there anyway?

Pei · « **Reply #48 on:** October 22, 2002, 02:21:53 AM »

IIRC the 3 B-20 option only appeared in 1945 (and fairly late on as well).
Also the B-20 and ShVaK fired the same shell: the B20 had slightly lower muzzle velocity (due to shorter barrel) and a slightly higher rate of fire so I suspect the damage is pretty similar.

Wilbus · « **Reply #49 on:** October 22, 2002, 05:49:31 AM »

There were about 380 (385 or 383 I think) LA7's delivered with B20 before the wars end.

LA7 doesn't outzoom Tempest at any altitude although it can keep up with down low but is still worse.

Straffo, tiffie is UBER

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

straffo · « **Reply #50 on:** October 22, 2002, 05:59:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Straffo, tiffie is UBER

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh hhhhhh
don't bother me an continue yer U-152 quest

(I even outurned 2 zeke last night I can't figure why they followed me in a 400 + dive

)

Wilbus · « **Reply #51 on:** October 22, 2002, 06:09:29 AM »

LOL LOL.

U-152? That the U-boat that surrendered to the US very late?

straffo · « **Reply #52 on:** October 22, 2002, 06:16:34 AM »

U-152 : http://uboat.net/boats/u152.htm
extract :

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Successes : No successes (never on combat patrol)

When will you be back on channel ?

You are missing my growing musical skills !

I noticed you can make music with the spring of the X45 ... it sound a bit redneck music (aka banjo) but it work

AtmkRstr · « **Reply #53 on:** October 22, 2002, 04:30:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
So in order to be really better then the La7 it needs a what..10 to 1 kill to death ratio. Your whole contention is silly. The Tempest is way better then the La7. Its kill to death shows it. Guys are willing to kamakazi to kill a tempest in an la7 but they are very unable to do so...why? Far supperior plane...

You can't use K/D as a means of comparison in the MA. Different kinds of pilots tend to fly certain kinda of planes. For example, the P47-D11 and F190A-5 have incredible K/D ratios, but most would agree that other planes outperform both of them quite easily.

Here's some interesting logic:
Fact 1: The La7 out performs the La5 in every respect. (lighter wing loading, faster, and optionally better firepower)
Fact 2: The La5 has a better K/D ratio than the La7.
Conclusion: The average pilot skill of an La5 is superior to that of an La7, or more simply, La7 pilots are dweebs. Scientific Fact.

Pongo · « **Reply #54 on:** October 22, 2002, 05:41:24 PM »

But 5 to 1.
you cant discount it either...
This thread is about the Tempest being INFERIOR to the La7.
When the tempest is faster better armed and has way better performance at alt..and it is 5 to 1 in the main arena..doenst that refute some of this whining?

Urchin · « **Reply #55 on:** October 22, 2002, 10:04:23 PM »

I can discount it. I think pilot skill plays a large role in the Tempests K/D. I could be wrong here, I'm not sure. I don't often see Tempests, and when I do see them they aren't mixing it up in a massive furball with planes that are much better suited for it then they are. I do see LA7s mixing it up in furballs quite a bit, and they are usually the first plane to fall prey to a Spit or N1K in a furball.

That said, I think mainly horrible to below average pilots fly the La-7, and they fly it like it is a fast Spitfire. They are used to seeing 1 plane and knowing that their plane will be able to make up for any mistakes that they make. So if an La-7 sees a Tempest, odds are good that it will go hell for leather chasing after it, and odds are good that the Tempest will be able to drag the hapless La-7 driver off by himself, out of range of friendlies. From there it is a question of the La-7 driver making 1 mistake. That is all it would take with a pilot with good aim and 4 Hispanos.

It only takes one overshoot, how do you think I kill La-7s? It isn't like any of the planes I fly out-perform them.

But anyway, it seems the opinions are divided. Pongo says "Whiner", some people say the La-7 is better, and some people believe the Tempest is clearly superior. So, do you all think that the relative performance under typical MA circumstances is to close to call, and the fight would come down to pilot skill? That is what I'm leaning towards from my experience in the DA.

Hristo · « **Reply #56 on:** October 23, 2002, 05:09:17 PM »

Lame-7 is just a poor man's Tempest. Close to real thing, but still a copy and free

Seriosuly now, Tempest is a better plane: speed, dive, guns, visibility, turn. Lame-7 is very close though. The perk price of both should be closer than it is, IMO.