Author Topic: F4u (Read 748 times)

GEO1 · « **on:** October 22, 2002, 01:41:28 PM »

I really like the Hog, but I want to know the main diffrences between the F4U-1, F4U-1C, and F4U-1D.

How do they compare in performance, speed, turning, etc?

I like a plane to be fast, good guns, yet able to turn a little if needed. I have seen a F4U come in on my P51D and catch me and out turn me. I am wanting to know how he did that???

Thanks!
Geo1

jonnyb · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2002, 02:38:45 PM »

Biggest differences:

F4U-1 -- early version. Can't carry as much ord as the other variants.
F4U-1C -- carries 4x20mm hi-zookas. Packs a hell of a punch.
F4U-1D -- standard 6x.50 US armament. Can carry a decent complement of bombs/rockets (2x1k and 8 rocks I believe).

All of them have pretty lousy rear visibility, and they gulp fuel. However, they are extremely effective dive-bomb platforms, and will turn relatively decently.

corey · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2002, 07:31:31 PM »

how do you talk

paulieb · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2002, 08:03:10 PM »

If you want to know the key differences between the types, as well as get some tips on how to fly them, look here:

http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/models.htm

This is one of the first sites I encountered when I joined this forum looking for info. Very helpful, IMO.

Jappo · « **Reply #4 on:** October 22, 2002, 10:02:22 PM »

This is an extremely helpful page. Being rather new at this, I think they should put a link to this page in the help files!
Thanks a million for taking the time to do this!

Innominate · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2002, 12:49:22 AM »

The F4U-1 is a bit faster than the F4U-1C/D, it also carries a lot more fuel, and it probably the best corsair for a strictly fighter mission. The D has better accelleration and climb, and seems to handle better at low speeds. The C is basicly a D that has much bigger guns.

Flying any of the corsairs at under 200mph is difficult. At those speeds, a snap roll is all but instant. Learning to control the plane at those speeds isn't easy but can be exceptionally rewarding.

Kweassa · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2002, 04:57:51 AM »

F4U-1 is fastest of the three(excluding the F4U-4), but it climbs very slow. It takes a lot of time to gain just 10k feet altitude, and also takes a lot of time to regain lost speed and altitude. Differences in maneuverability are only marginal, but F4U pilots do seem to prefer the -1 as in sometimes those marginal advantages can mean life or death.

F4U-1D carries impressive loads of air-to-ground weaponery and climbs the best of the three. It is decently fast as a fighter and the only handful unperked monstrosities will catch it. It is also a bit more stable at low speeds than the other rwo corsairs.

The F4U-1C is a 4x20mm version and for some reason, and after the FM has been revised, there are subsequent penalties due to its increased weight. It will handle more poorly than the -1D or the -1.

Mooja · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2002, 09:54:02 AM »

I've been flying the 1D lately and they have a nasty habit of going into unrecoverable death spirals. I died four times last night to this problem. I wasn't sure what was causing it at first so I went offline and am able to reproduce it some of the time. Fly wings level between 200-300mph and snap roll to begin a split-S. As soon as your nose points toward the groud you start spinning out of control and i've never been able to recover from this. Not sure it it happens with with other hogs or not.

Hawklore · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2002, 10:30:01 AM »

Bf109-e4 not the dangerous of the 109's?

I took on a hoard of Tempests with it shooting down 3 out of the 4 the last one running back to base now whos dangerous?

HFMudd · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2002, 10:59:52 AM »

You managed to shoot down 3 Tempests with the two 60rpg MG/FF on an Emil?

Were these guys AFK?

Innominate · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2002, 05:15:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Mooja
I've been flying the 1D lately and they have a nasty habit of going into unrecoverable death spirals. I died four times last night to this problem. I wasn't sure what was causing it at first so I went offline and am able to reproduce it some of the time. Fly wings level between 200-300mph and snap roll to begin a split-S. As soon as your nose points toward the groud you start spinning out of control and i've never been able to recover from this. Not sure it it happens with with other hogs or not.

heh, First thing, a snap roll is when you cause one wing to stall before the other, which causes a VERY fast roll. Just rolling the plane is an aileron roll. (If you're using a snap roll, you're already asking for trouble)

You're pulling too hard on the stick, if you do that, the F4U will do what it always wants to do, spin. While a spin in a fight will put you at a big disadvantage, it's not unrecoverable.

The toughest part about flying the f4u is getting to the edge of controlled flight, without losing control of the plane. It takes a lot of practice, and a precise rudder control. If you don't have decent(as in on a joystick or pedals) rudder control, the f4u is probably a plane to skip.

It was called the ensign eliminator for a good reason.

Montezuma · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2002, 07:34:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Mooja
As soon as your nose points toward the groud you start spinning out of control and i've never been able to recover from this. Not sure it it happens with with other hogs or not.

It happens with all the hogs, sometimes the spins are impossible to get out of before you take a dirt nap. The P-51 will do it also if you have fuel in the aux tank.

The P-51s and F4-Us are probably the two hardest fighters to handle, which is unfortunate since many newbies are drawn to them by their famous reputations.

NOD2000 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2002, 08:47:52 PM »

well have to say i like the F4u-1 its not a attack plane per say but its main advantige is (all versions) speed just keep it up and u will learn the rest through expericance if u keep it around 300 it will be ur best friend below that it will be ur grave

Bluedog · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2002, 10:29:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Montezuma

It happens with all the hogs, sometimes the spins are impossible to get out of before you take a dirt nap. The P-51 will do it also if you have fuel in the aux tank.

The P-51s and F4-Us are probably the two hardest fighters to handle, which is unfortunate since many newbies are drawn to them by their famous reputations.

Just from personal experience, the 'impossible to recover' spins the Hog is notorious for, are a heck of a lot easier to pull out of if you dump flaps.
To me, that doesnt quite make sense ( but I have a very limited understanding of aerodynamics) but it does seem to help a great deal.
Chop throttle, throw out as much flap as you can, and either simply unload the stick, or nose down and oposite rudder, depending on what sort of spin you find yourself in.

Can someone who knows about this stuff explain why that happens? is it because with those huge flaps hanging down, there is simply too much drag for the plane to continue spinning?

Blue

AcId · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2002, 12:25:54 PM »

I "think" that reason dumping flaps helps in the recover of a spin is due to the lower airspeed required to produce lift when flaps are out. Usually getting into a spin in a Hog is becuase the left wing has stalled, not enough lift to maintain controlled flight, I think the flaps help in this respect.

As for their differences.

F4U is an E fighter, plain and simple, it can B&Z the T&B'ers and T&B most of the B&Z'ers. You do have to fight with caution, maintain as much speed and altitude as possible over your opponent. Bad SA will get you killed quicker than snot.
IMHO the -1 rapes the -D&-C in flight performance. It does have the ability to handle slow stall fights against the other Hogs and ride the edge longer before departing flight it's only downfall is climbrate.