Actually, nevermind. I'm a love muffin. The more I fly the 109F4 the more I like it. I've turned with Niki's with some success, haven't been able to outturn a Spit yet, but I'm sure I'll get there. Only problem with the F4 is you aren't fast enough to run, so if you get attacked by 3 or 4 guys, it is dying time.