The 60's

[Animal]

Originally posted by easymo
What part of that post is not true?

Sorry, maybe I mis-interpreted your post.
It seemed like to you it was a bad thing that the "dems" decided that America was just not a Northen European gig.

When in fact that was never true from the moment slaves set foot in America, for example.

You are right, maybe thats not what our forefathers had in mind, cause I believe they never had race or ancestry in mind.

"bring me your tired and poor" was never race, region or religion specific

Towards the end of the decade, the Dem's decided that nearly 200 years of American history was all wrong.

I dont think that was the case.
I think "they" (and I'm not talking democrats only here)  decided that a big chunk of those 200 years could not be neglected anymore.

And by history, I dont mean what was in school-books before the 60's. I mean true history.

[popeye]

I think the 60's were fun, but I just can't remember....

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Animal
I think the 60's shaped the cool nation USA is now.

If that movement had never happened, america would still be square!

And most likely unnoticed by Al Queda...

[Ripsnort]

Funny, we had this discussion recently on another board...here's what one poster said:

The left, at one time, mainly the 60's were composed of nothing more than bored people, who wanted to change America, and fix some things      that were not broken, simply to gripe about something. They immediately took sides with actual organizations that, at the time, actually did good. I.E. ACLU. They, infested the teachers, and lawyers system, so that they could "preach" their new gospel, or anti-gospel to children, and
enforce it by making new laws.

To fast forward 40 years, we now have a vast majority of colleges, so socialist, that they will not ever sponser a conservative speaker,          although they sponser lefties constantly. The biggest democratic forums on the internet, forbid any posts that might speak negatively toward
any liberal agenda, or politician. Conservative speakers, when allowed on a campus, are told they can not speak about suicide bombings,        reparations, the war on terror, or abortion, and when they do, they get sued, (ask Horowitz).

The ACLU, now governed by the socialistic hippies left over from the 60's, now make it possible to get fired, arrested, and prosecuted for a word someone may say.

They are ok with burning flags, and protesting war, but when a conservative wants to speak, it is No Way, Jose!.

The elite left, which have more than 50% of their make-up to the women activists such as NOW members, are the biggest hipocrits, with double
standards in America today. They elect politicians through bribery. They buy votes by taking the money from people who earned it, and giving it
to those who are inclined to vote democratic. The use lies such as "George Bush caused the stock market crash due to his tax cut" & "George
Bush single handedly encouraged enron. worldcom, adelphia etc.. to continue the financial shenanigans that caused our crisis" in order to scare anyone in a union and with a 401K into voting democrat, and they use the worst tactic, scaring old people, by saying Bush will take away their medicine, and social security.

They take freedom of speech, to the Nth level, by concocting lies and absurdities and spreading that propaganda to the public. This is protected. But when a conservative tries to tell the truth, they are blasted. When the ultra-rights say that demorcratic voters are ignorant, or stupid, sometimes, I have to ask myself a couple questions. I know many many democrats are brilliant individuals. But, how can the entire
democratic party be so unaware of basic, and fundamental economics, that they would ever vote democrat. How, could anyone who values freedom vote democratic? How could anyone who wants to live life according by their own rules vote democratic. There are many questions I would like answers too. I am not so quick to call democratic voters stupid. My entire family, minus myself are democrats. Many generations of democrats. Does the fact, that I am the only one with college degrees, and advanced licenses mean anything, I doubt it. My income, maybe?

My biggest question, would have to be, and the one I ponder most: Why, do liberals/democrats, use free speech and civil rights as one of their
biggest fear tactics in order to receive votes, when they are the party most likely to strip America of those rights, and why do democratic
voters fall for it?

Put that in your bong and smoke it.

[lazs2]

for me... the sixties started in about '67 and ended midway through the 70's.   Most people are reallyu talking about those years when they say "the sixties".

Best part was being a biker and being mistaken for a harmless hippie.   Lot of drugs that were all new and the sex was decent and without fear of death.   Couple drugs that were plentiful and the normal youthful lack of fear of death and you can imagine.

communes were interesting..  if you were a biker you could travel around and spend a couple of three days at one for free... free food drugs booze and sex.   They started to get depressing and desperate and dirty around the mid 70's and.... inhospitable.

bikers ran crank, topless bars and massage parlors..  mexican mafia got started... drive by shootings and serial killing came into vogue.   aids...  herpes..  AMF bought Harley...  

muscle cars were good and shovelheads were better than panheads.  

hippies?  hippies were the first group of males that thought being a wuss would get em laid... they started it.

what else you wanna know?
lazs

[easymo]

"I mean true history."


 I can only imagine what kind of lefty spin has been put on this lie.

  FWIW. Long before the anti war protesters moved into the Democratic party. We where taught such things as, Jefferson owned slaves and that, that was shameful.  We where taught that when the founding fathers spoke of freedom, they did not have indentured servants, or other common white folks in mind.  Much less slaves.  We where not taught that America was built on the backs of the black man.  The math just didn't work.  It is just impossible to belive that one ignorant slave, picking cotton, could support 9 white men in style.  I got to belive some white guy, somewhere, picked up a plow along the way.  Not to mention, a rifle to defend it.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by lazs2

hippies?  hippies were the first group of males that thought being a wuss would get em laid... they started it.

lazs

[easymo]

When I first met Mrs. easymo, she was this hippie dippie, collage, chick.  She was an attractive blonde, and had many suitors.  I once asked her why she had picked on me, to get married.  When the others had the same hippie values she had, had at the time.  And I had just gotten out of the Army.  She explained that she was doing what girls are supposed to do in collage.  Having a really good time.  But when it came time to get serious.  She wanted a man like her Father.  I guess you have to be female to understand the logic in that:). While I cant put myself in the same class as her father, I was flattered all the same.

[midnight Target]

They take freedom of speech, to the Nth level, by concocting lies and absurdities and spreading that propaganda to the public. This is protected. But when a conservative tries to tell the truth, they are blasted.

funny stuff. Irony always cracks me up.

Abuse of servicemen returning from the war was very wrong. It was also not as prevelent as you might think.

Lazs, ever wonder if the commune and free love stuff you took advantage of, might have collapsed due to people taking advantage instead of trying to understand?

Maybe it just isn't in our nature to allow that little experiment to succeed. I dunno. I spent my teens and early 20's in the apathetic 70's.

Easymo, how exactly is the change in demographics the fault of the democrats? Seems to me birth rates and immigration laws that are even handed would bring on the same results.

GTO, first Freebird, now the Beatles..... my god man! Have you no shame?

[Ripsnort]

In medicine, technology, civil rights progression, alot of GOOD came out of the 60's...as far as a society, alot of bad. My opinion naturally.

[GtoRA2]

Nah, I was not talking about you or people like you. I just dislike the beatles so much, I couldn't be bothered to learn how to spell there name.


IMHO they are the worst of the 60s music, popy BS, they where the backstreet boys of their day.

The Stones where so much better lol

Honestly in the other thread I had fun debating guns with ya. I even learned a few things and to me that makes any conversation a good one.   Oh and no it did not change any of my opinions.



Tahgut!

Man I am just calling them like I see them! lol

At least I like the rest of Skynard.  One of my hells would be me stuck in a room with only songs from the beatles playing and no way to stop it or kill my self!!:D

[H. Godwineson]

The '60s were okay.  I remember muscle cars and pony cars (drool).  The music was pretty good except when it got preachy.  Clothes were kind of funky.

But what was all that shouting about?

Seriously, the main things that I hated about the '60s was the death of civility.  We lost the ability, as a nation, to sit down calmly and discuss issues such as politics.  Everything good became bad, and everything bad became good.  I hated the arrogance of the socialist movements and drug cultures that dominated many college campuses.  I despised the attempts to descredit and ruin our social institutions.  

The '60s generation definitely had a tremendous impact on the culture of the United States, but I doubt that it will be remembered as a "Great Generation."

Regards, Shuckins

[easymo]

"It was also not as prevelent as you might think. "

Another lie.

 Iwas there. It got so bad they had to route returning soliders through Ft. Lewis, Washington. To avoid the commerical airports.

To answer your question. The Dem's voted in immigration laws to restrict immigration from Europe.  And to increase that form other countries.

[easymo]

BTW.  Another thing, I just remembered.  They advised us to ware civies, when we went home on leave, to avoid confrontations. Imagine not being able to ware the uniform of the U.S.Army, in my own country.

[midnight Target]

No question that it happened easymo, and no argument that it was hatefully wrong.

I tried to find some more on this subject, because now I am not sure of the extent of the abuse our soldiers received. It seems that not too many really know how often vets were treated badly, but it is well documented that it did happen.

One article I found seem to be pretty even handed. I thought this snippet was interesting:

"members of such groups as the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the American Legion shunned Vietnam veterans because of their long hair, love beads, and peace symbols that many wore. In the Veterans Administration hospitals, wounded Vietnam veterans were treated as second-class citizens by the World War II veterans who worked in and ran the hospitals. The 'class of 46,'' as the Vietnam-era vets dubbed the old-timers, thought Vietnam had not been a 'real war'"(Lembke, 78). It is clear from these citations that if anything is a myth, it is the idea that hippies committed all of these hateful acts. Undoubtedly, there were some hippies who spit on veterans or made hurtful comments, but to say that all hippies did so is an unfair generalization.

I remember my Dad (a WW2 vet) talking about how his homecoming was no big deal (1946), and how he felt the VN vets were making a too much of the issue (This was the early 70's). At the time I argued with him, I was a teenager, but it would seem that the WW2 era vets as well as the hippies had a role in turning the Country's back on the returning Vets.

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