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Offline easymo

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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2002, 12:29:14 PM »
The left's PR guys have been trying to cover their tracks since that grave (excuse me. Monument) was put up in Washington. As the political winds changed, they found them selves with a very immbarrisng image to spin.

  I am not speaking from some artical I read somewhere.  I am speaking from personal experiance.

  The standered leftie M O is to keep pounding at a lie, until it becomes the truth.  The only defence an ordinary guy, like me, has.  Is to present the truth whenever that happens.

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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2002, 12:47:44 PM »
On the WW vet thing.  I can only wonder what my old SDI would think of that.  He was a WW2, and Korea vet.  He also did 2 tours in Vietnam.

  There was an element of truth in that point.

 "We where in the BIG one"

  But is was only the fear of old soldiers, that they might be forgotten in the furor of a new war.  I have heard Viet vets say the same dumb bellybutton things about Desert storm troopers.  If you are one of the unlucky ones, whos son comes home in a bag.  Thats as real as war gets.

  In the end that subject is just some misdirection on the part of the left's PR people.

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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2002, 03:07:24 PM »
"Lazs, ever wonder if the commune and free love stuff you took advantage of, might have collapsed due to people taking advantage instead of trying to understand"

I was there.... No need to wonder.    Like a gut shot animal they ate themselves alive.   It was an unworkable idea.   several people working hard and the rest laying around.   I took less advantage than their own members did.   I fixed an old GMC truck and a generator at a few of those places... just for something to do.  

 Towards the end they were more like gypsies in the worst sense of the word.  It was socialism in the microcosm...  totaly unworkable... those who were willing to carry the load were constantly aware of those who weren't.   Mostly... they started sinking toward the medieval toward the end... Dirty, lazy, whiney, drug addicted and criminal toward the end..   disease and selfishness and self pity.   superstition  and bigotry..   That is what they were toward the end.
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2002, 03:11:32 PM »
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 Towards the end they were more like gypsies in the worst sense of the word.  It was socialism in the microcosm...  totaly unworkable... those who were willing to carry the load were constantly aware of those who weren't.   Mostly... they started sinking toward the medieval toward the end... Dirty, lazy, whiney, drug addicted and criminal toward the end..   disease and selfishness and self pity.   superstition  and bigotry..   That is what they were toward the end.
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Damn, those are the key symbolic foundations of todays DNC, Lazs!

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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2002, 03:13:43 PM »
rip... I am aware of that..  I was there for that too.
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2002, 04:15:39 PM »
I too, was there in the '60's.   I pretty much agree with what Lazs and Easymo  said.  

There were "Two '60's".   "Sixties I"  was the period from 1960 to Feb.- March, 1968.   Though we had lost President Kennedy(we got over it pretty quickly, despite what revisionist historians and purveyors of psycho-babble may say) , life was as good as it gets during this exciting time.   We also didn't "lose sleep" or wring our hands over the "Nuclear Armegeddon" threat either, despite Hollywood's/the "Media's" fascination with this theme, we pretty-much ignored it.

Good economic times, cheap prices, amazing advances in science and medicine, the Space Race, the Civil Rights Movement, the "British Invasion", creatively inspired music, the emergence of Jazz and "Black Music" into national popularity, un-bounded freedom, optimism, and the terrors of Viet Nam were still mostly on the periphery of the American consciousness.  Things were only going to get better and better.

Then came "Tet", Martin Luther King's assassination, Robert Kennedy's assassination, massive race riots,  bitter and violent war "protests",  and the whole fabric of American life seem to come apart at the seams.   1968 was easily the most frightening year i have ever experienced in my life.   Many of us thought that the United States was going to crumble before our very eyes.  I was there for some of the war protests, riots, etc.  

I know who organized some of them as well as their political affiliation.  I won't go into it here, but suffice it to say there WERE "foreign elements" involved, that they were indeed Communist, and that they forged an alliance with elements of the domestic Leftist/Anti-War sympathizers in the Democrat Party.

"'60's Part Two" went from '68 to 1973.  The great "Gas Crisis I" and finally Richard Nixon's resignation brought the '60's to a bitter end and gave us the "Great Cultural Nadir" known as the '70's.

And we have been "recovering" ever since.  In my life i have seen the "pendulum" swing both ways indeed.   The balanced,  societal "equalibrium" between some of the failed, destructive, wild-assed "new ideas" of the Left  and the restrictive,  "this is the way we've all ways done it", worship of the "almighty dollar" by the Right is tenuous and short-lived  at best.

I have been on this  earth for over a half-century and this  i have learned:

Whoever called it "the thin veneer of civilization" knew exactly what he was talking about.

"Only the dead have seen the last of War"  is an absolute truth.

"The play is the same.  Only the actors have changed." is an absolute truth.

And these quotes of Sir Winston Churchill:

" To work from weakness and fear is ruin. To work from wisdom and power may be salvation."

"What is the point in crying out for the moon when you have the sun."

"We have not journeyed across the centuries, across the oceans, across the mountains, across the prairies, because we are made of sugar-candy."

"An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last.

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."

" The only guide to a man is his conscience; the only shield to his memory is the rectitude and sincerity of his actions."

In the end, the '60's weren't "good or bad".  They just,  were.......

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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2002, 04:38:18 PM »
"The Eagle has landed"

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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2002, 07:51:40 AM »
capt. apathy: ...womens rights taken too far- they seem to get all the rights and privleges of men without the reponsability and accountability, they get the best of both worlds

 Not really. Those that try to "get the best of both worlds" are failing miserably for defying the nature. You can't be a career woman and a good mom at the same time. So they are stressed out, miserable, unhappy losers.

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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2002, 08:05:04 AM »
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"The Eagle has landed"


are you sure????

not everyone believes that nowadays - amazing ain't it.

 1 to 10 years old during the sixities - hot wheels tracks, creepy crawler sets, army men, model a/c & ships, Marti Gra in NO, pop warner football & baseball, crawdad fishin in the canal, Estes model rockets, you could ride ur spider bike anywhere and not worry bout some nutbag attacking/stealing/killing u....

the 60's were great for me, my little bro & sisters
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2002, 08:06:47 AM »
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are you sure????

not everyone believes that nowadays - amazing ain't it.

 1 to 10 years old during the sixities - hot wheels tracks, creepy crawler sets, army men, model a/c & ships, Marti Gra in NO, pop warner football & baseball, crawdad fishin in the canal, Estes model rockets, you could ride ur spider bike anywhere and not worry bout some nutbag attacking/stealing/killing u....

the 60's were great for me, my little bro & sisters


Scarey, you just described my childhood (born in 1960, and NOT responsible for the liberal trash you see today :D )

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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2002, 08:28:56 AM »
I don't think that most people understand what a new high in human misery crank production and control, massage parlors and topless "clubs" were.   They/we could not have operated in the 50's and we paved the way for the total inhumanity of todays brutal society.    The types of crimes we see today were pioneered... no...spawned in the 60's.    

In that respect the 60's were bad but.... given the pandoras box of drugs... inevitable.   For us bikers the 60's were camoflage.  for some of the worst elements of society... the 60's were a good cover.  you can't have lawlessness without attracting the lawless.   Bad laws make the good ones moot.   Trying to enforce laws that had 50's morality in an era of drugs just made the law look irrelevant.  
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2002, 09:31:05 AM »
Hrmm..the 60's...Drug's..VW Bus..and rock-n-roll...and the F-4 Phantom.

That is all..move along now..

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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2002, 07:14:05 AM »
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One of the most important events in American history occurred in the 60's, and no one noticed.  People where so caught up in the war, and which politician got bumped off this month, that it slipped by.  Who and what we are was forever changed by having  Democrats in the White house, and in congress.

  In 1960 90 percent of Americans where of northern European decent. Towards the end of the decade, the Dem's decided that nearly 200 years of American history was all wrong.  And, we needed to fill the place up with people from the third world.  Since that time, massive numbers of these immigrants have poured into our country.  The America I knew as a boy has not existed for years now.  Ironically, what much of the world perceives as being America has not existed for years.  This change is ongoing and, they say that decades before the end of this century. Americans of northern European decent will be a minority.

  I feel safe in saying that this is not what the founding fathers had in mind :)

  Whether this change will be for the better remains to be seen.  The desire for freedom is strong in all men IMO. This combined with the tools provided for us by the constitution should insure that what is at the heart of this country will survive.  Either way, I wont live long enough to find out.  Good luck to you young fella's


I’m sure your thoughts echo those of the Native Americans as they watched their pristine country being overrun by hordes of butchering white trash.

Thanks for the morning chuckle.

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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2002, 11:16:49 AM »
I spent much of my early adult life working with and for people who can only be described as "survivors of the 60's".

This was the mid to late 70's of course, and we started an experimental school for the developementally disabled. (No that isn't PC for retarded, it means that something happened to them prior to their 18th b-day. Some were accident victims etc.)

Most of these hippy types were educated and had families. Most still smoked pot, and some did other drugs, but like I said, these were the survivors. They had a handle on things. They had decent family values, nice clean homes etc. What they kept from the 60's was the dream of a caring world. And compared to them I was politically to the right of Ripsnort!

Sure it would probably never exist, but they were intent on maintaining their little corner of the dream. They did a pretty good job of it too.

I and they knew many who were taken by the drugs and  who were lost to the 60's. Not all of the hippies were losers though. Some of those people I worked with became politicians, business owners, teachers, artists and museum curators. None of them became wards of the State or welfare recipients, and none of them really ever "sold out".

So I guess liberal values can also lead to a successful life.

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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2002, 12:52:09 PM »
People didn't wake up on January 1, 1960, and decide to invent a new society.

The 60's were "caused" by the 50's.   The 50's by the 40's...  etc... etc...

My take is that the baby boom of the late 40's and 50's produced a huge and powerful social force that happened to enter adolescence in the 60's, and overwhelmed American society with the energy, idealism, and permissiveness of that age.  (That same social force is shaping American society today, but with the growing conservatism of middle age.)

So, it was those sex crazed Ozzies and Harriets of the 50's -- popping out babies with the blessings of the Pope, Billy Graham, and Ike Eisenhower -- that brought us the inevitable excesses of the 60's.
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