Why have 4 varients of the Bf109?

[Nifty]

There's a very simple explanation why some planes are in the game that just don't seem like they should be.  It's so people can whine about them being there!  

[R4M]

Vermillion:

The 109K4's top speed at SL was 375mph. The AH G10's is 365.

The 109K4's top speed at 25K was 450mph. AH's G10's is around 440mph (that is according to what I've been told, and can't test it by myself until I'm back at home next week. You can do the test and then post the results if you want.)

The 109K4's climrate at SL was 5200fpm (According to Supongo's data). AH's G10's climbrate at SL is 4700fpm.

The 109K4 had way better control surfaces than the 109G10.

AH's 109G10 is FAR from performing like a 109K4 in speed/climb/acceleration performance and hispeed maneouverability. AH's 109G10 performs like a WWII Bf109G10 with DB605ASM engine, but not as a K4 with DB605D.

And as grunherz said, about 1750 109K4s saw service in WWII. How many N1K2-js saw service?  

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[Vermillion]

Grunherz, where is the 1750 number coming from? The number I have seen consistently (from memory, so I may be wrong) is roughly about 700 K4's. Its an honest question, of where your getting your numbers.

Oh     and I said the number of aircraft BEYOND the k4 could be counted on your fingers and toes, note the emphasis on beyond.

Edit: A quick check of 2 of my sources, both say that approximately 700 K series 109's were produced.

RAM,

   

The 109K4's top speed at SL was 375mph. The AH G10's is 365

The 109K4's climrate at SL was 5200fpm (According to Supongo's data).

Again, just show me where these come from. Both are assertions that I've seen over and over, but no one even produces a simple chart to prove it.

Edit: Again, a check of my sources say that the initial climbrate of a 109K4, at a loaded weight of 7,410lbs, was 4,820 ft/min.  This is awful close to the 4,700 ft/min that you guys are claiming for the AH 109G10. My bet is that it was tested with a 30mm cannon, while the historical data is for the 20mm cannon.

   

The 109K4's top speed at 25K was 450mph. AH's G10's is around 440mph (that is according to what I've been told,

The last time I tested the speed of the G10 in AH its top speed hit almost exactly 452mph (no gondola's and 20mm). And if you check the performance chart on the AH help page it indicates a top speed of 452mph. If its not getting that speed anymore its broke and needs to be brought to Pyro's attention.

   

The 109K4 had way better control surfaces than the 109G10

Way better? I haven't done a lot of research on the differences in the aelirons, but even Grunherz says the differences were in Flettner control tabs. Do you honestly think these would make a big difference? Some yes, but again, I think your way overestimating the difference.

All I know is that you guys are making big claims without any supporting data. If you have something I haven't seen, please share it.    

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[GRUNHERZ]

The Prien/Rodieke book verm.

They say 534 by November 30 1944 and at least 1200 more till the end of the war.

Another source I have, the JAPO book on the K4 says that at least 1200 were made.

Two sources confirm at least 1200 and one says at least 1200 plus 534 more by late 1944.

The Prien/Rodieke book is the best 109 book ever written covering the F-G-K model 109s.

[Vermillion]

Whats the Title and ISBN on that book?

[Pup]

just want to clarify something here, the p-51B is/was(in RL) faster than the p-51D, the differences were the p-51D had more range due to the wing design which also slowed it down.  It had two more 50 cal, p-51B pilots say that 4 50 cal were more than sufficient for shooting the enemy down though, also the p-51D had better visability.  Oh yes and over 4Gs the guns in the wings of the p-51B would not fire due to the wing design and how they were put in, and if you tried to fire them they would jam and could not be charged from the cockpit so you were out of the fight  .

Sorry if someone else posted this I just wanted to let him know why the p-51B is a good plane to have.  

Pup out