Author Topic: Sniper...is he a Marine? (Read 581 times)

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:16:27 PM »

I'm not on the defensive, it's just highly unlikely this guy was trained in the US military as either a sniper or recon.

The only thing that's the same between a real trained sniper and this killer is one shot, kill or not, and move.

But then again, anyone who's played any online game with a sniper rifle has learned to target, fire, move.

Sure, I think there's more to this than anyone knows. But then again, the information available about who the killer is and what his motives are is non-existant.

It's obvious this person(s) has atleast planned this out and knows what he(they) are doing.

But if this is a highly trained sniper, I'd be very surprised as all shots have been relatively short ranges...

EDIT: Swoop, he shot one kid. AFAIK, that kid is still alive. All other targets have been grown adults, and almost all have been killed.

If nothing else, this will invite copycats who were thinking about doing it but assumed they'd be caught. This person has been out for almost a month taking people out, and they are no closer to catching him than they were on day 1.
-SW

Curval · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:18:45 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
I'm not on the defensive, it's just highly unlikely this guy was trained in the US military as either a sniper or recon.

The only thing that's the same between a real trained sniper and this killer is one shot, kill or not, and move.

But then again, anyone who's played any online game with a sniper rifle has learned to target, fire, move.

Sure, I think there's more to this than anyone knows. But then again, the information available about who the killer is and what his motives are is non-existant.

It's obvious this person(s) has atleast planned this out and knows what he(they) are doing.

But if this is a highly trained sniper, I'd be very surprised as all shots have been relatively short ranges...
-SW

You misunderstood me....I'm not saying he was a trained sniper...just that he might be a marine. The term "Sniper" is a media term, not mine. I would use "Gunman".

Thrawn · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:22:17 PM »

Just because he's been shooting under 100m doesn't mean he can't shoot further.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:26:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Just because he's been shooting under 100m doesn't mean he can't shoot further.

It does until he accomplishes that feat.

-SW

Thrawn · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:34:57 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe

It does until he accomplishes that feat.

-SW

If he makes a longer shot then it proves he can.

Because he hasn't doesn't prove he can't. It is still possible that he can shoot much further but has chosen not to.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:40:08 PM »

I know people who could pop a deer in the heart with a scoped rifle at 150yards... at 200 they'd wing it.

I could speculate all day long about what this person can do, and what this person is and how they got their training.

It's all speculation though, the only thing that certain is this person has done their homework on not giving away their identity, driving a vehicle that's on the road and is common in these parts, and only going for one person then moving immediately.

Their ability to shoot is questionable, they've all been stationary or close to it, targets at relatively close range.
-SW

Curval · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:48:37 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Their ability to shoot is questionable, they've all been stationary or close to it, targets at relatively close range.
-SW

I might speculate and disagree with this comment

His shooting may well be excellent. As far as I am aware all the hits were in the chest - but I could be wrong on that. Chest shots are not always kills and that may be part of a strategy to conceal just how good he really is.

Have there been any head-shots?

Saintaw · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:52:31 PM »

Swoop, no other sources than Monk, whom I believe watches news more often than I do

If he left evidence on the scene (apparently casings & plans) either he was not being perfectionist or at least he was very st0ned.
Then again, Bullet casings are a bit too obvious somethhing to leave behind... dunno, just thinking out loud realy

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2002, 01:52:45 PM »

Depends on the type of bullet Curval, if you get some of the ammunition from US Cavalry, they have bullets that will fragment upon hitting bone (which the chest area has a lot of)...

The last guy to get shot (bus driver) had the bullet fragment on him.. those bullets are far more devistating than a solid penetrating round.. a near miss of anything vital with a normal round means certain death with a fragmenting round.

Have there been any head-shots?

I don't think so...

But like I said, you can speculate it on being someone highly trained.. but I guarantee you, a hunter or someone who has been hunting would do equally as well if not better.
-SW

Ghosth · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2002, 02:21:26 PM »

You can get good hollow point hunting rounds for most any caliber made nowdays. That along with a fairly high velocity round will almost always insure that any bullet that hits is either fragments, or deformed past being of any use.

I'm not as good now as I used to be, and I have no military history. But I commonly shot targets the size of crows out to 400 yards.

Not hard to shoot at 100 and hit what your aiming at with a person sized target.

Also there are Books & Web sites for how to build your own silencer if you really don't want to be heard. If this guy is really good he'll moves to a new city before he's caught.

But it could just as well be a pool of guys working together. In which case catching one will NOT stop the terror.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2002, 06:48:33 PM »

If it was a Marine, it would be 13 deaths, not 9 deaths and 4 injuries.

This guy isnt a "sniper" hes a murderer.

john9001 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2002, 08:12:07 PM »

"Full Metal Jacket'"was a movie made by a anti-war liberal, not to be confused with real life

Curval · « **Reply #27 on:** October 23, 2002, 09:49:43 PM »

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"Full Metal Jacket'"was a movie made by a anti-war liberal, not to be confused with real life

I'm not comparing the movie with this situation...only the facts the DI quoted in his dialogue (assuming you believe Lee Harvey Oswold fired the fatal shot that killed JFK in one example he used).

Curval · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2002, 09:57:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
If it was a Marine, it would be 13 deaths, not 9 deaths and 4 injuries. This guy isnt a "sniper" hes a murderer.

I just read Midnight Tahgut's thread about a possible link to Washington State...give it a read. It seems as if my theory ain't so far off..or at least someone looking for the guy is thinking along the same lines as me.

I agree with you that he is a murderer and I think he should face some "Texas style" justice.

Dago · « **Reply #29 on:** October 23, 2002, 10:06:09 PM »

The "sniper" has made his shots from a relatively close range, so it doesnt necessarily indicate any formal weapons training.

What makes me wonder about his training is the fact that he is rarely witnessed, and always gets away clean. This, more than the shooting itself, makes me wonder about his background. True military snipers probably spend as much time learning the arts of observation, concealment, and to plan a safe and unobserved egress after the shooting, as they spend actually learning to shoot.

He is either very good, very lucky, or has taken the time to learn.

dago