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Offline Karnak

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« on: October 25, 2002, 09:15:10 PM »
There are a large number of varients on the airframes that we already have in AH that are needed to represent the entire war.

Germany
Bf109F-2
Bf109G-14
Bf109K-4
Fw190A-2
Fw190A-4
Fw190A-9
Ju88C-4b
Ju88G-7b

Italy:
C.200

Japan:
A6M3
N1K1-J

Russia:
Il-2 with 37mm gun package
LaGG-3
La-5
Yak-1
Yak-3
Yak-7

United Kingdom:
Lancaster Mk I
Mosquito F.Mk II or NF.Mk II
Mosquito B.Mk IV
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Mosquito NF.Mk XXX
Seafire Mk III
Spitfire LF.Mk IX
Spitfire LF.Mk XVI (bubble canopy)

United States:
B-17E or B-17F
F6F-3
P-38F
P-38H
P-38J
P-40N
P-47D-5
P-47M
SBD-2 or SBD-3


These aircraft should be easier to add from an art asset perspective and they would dramatically affect the granularity of the AH planeset.  Many more scenarios could be made using the appropriate aircraft instead of out of plce and out of time stand ins.
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2002, 11:26:48 PM »
Some of those planes while of the same linage, are differnt in substabtial ways, but ya Nice list.

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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2002, 11:30:45 PM »
great list karnak.......

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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2002, 11:31:42 PM »
Yak 3..nice thought. especially the 3 X b20 version.

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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2002, 04:12:18 AM »
Yak-9. The mainstay of the VVS after 1943!

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2002, 06:17:25 AM »
yak9d
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2002, 06:34:39 AM »
Who cares? New planes would be up for the 1st week - after that back to the usual La7/Niki/Spit routine...
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2002, 06:43:13 AM »
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Originally posted by Kirin
Who cares? New planes would be up for the 1st week - after that back to the usual La7/Niki/Spit routine...


More planes to kill those la7/niki/spit dweebs with. :D

Anyone who doesn't support this list is with the dweebs!!!

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2002, 06:50:38 AM »
Kirin with my options (especially for the vvs) there may be finally a reason to perk the el gay 7.

The niki and Spit are to slow to worry about.

Atleast until we get a few more spit variants. But even then they wouldnt need perking......

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2002, 07:05:14 AM »
Arado 234 B-2/N is missing from list...

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2002, 08:15:01 AM »
Fw 190A-3
Bf 109T

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2002, 12:40:19 PM »
Karnak you forget them.

Ki-61-I-Ko (12.7mm*2+7.7mm*2 or 12.7mm*4 or 12.7mm*2+MG151/20*2)
Ki-100
Ki-109

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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2002, 12:47:23 PM »
If the rumors are correct, the P47M i comming

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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2002, 04:09:56 PM »
Mitsu,

You are correct.  I did overlook the Ki-61's varients.

Ki.61-Ia
Ki.61-II
Ki.100
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2002, 04:34:22 PM »
My $.02 on an early P-38: Whenever I see posts requesting early 38 models in this forum, the author invariably asks for an F or occasionally an H. My feeling is that the G-10 would be the most appropriate variant to model.

More Gs were made than Fs and Hs put together. 1282 of the P-38G were made vs. 377 F and 601 H models. Of those 1282, 548 were the G-10 sub-variant (more than double the production of any of the other 5 sub-variants of the G).  The G-10 added provisions for mounting twelve 4.5" rockets in four three-tube "bazooka" type launchers and also recieved winterization equipment (not sexy but very nice to have in the Aleutians and the ETO).

P-38Gs began rolling off assembly lines in November 1941 and were in service at the squadron level by spring 1942, so they wouldn't be out of place in any early war USAAF scenario.

Of course I'd be thrilled if HTC saw fit to model an F, a G, an H, and a J. But, judging from the fact that we're nearly 3 years from beta and still only have 1 P-38, I'd say the chances are good that we'll only get one more. If that is indeed the case, then it makes sense to me to model one that is different enough in performance to the P-38L to be noticable.

A P-38J would be the easiest for HTC to make. No alteration of the 3D model would be necessary (assuming it's not a -5), just paint it green, remove the dive flap light from the cockpit, tweak the high speed roll rate, and voila! P-38J-10, -15, or -20. Other than the roll rate though, the J performs so much like the L that it makes me wonder if its even worth the effort to make those minor mods.

A pre-J model on the other hand, would require re-worked engine cowls, radiator scoops, and canopy. More work for HTC, but the result would be a Lightning that looks AND performs quite a bit differently from the current one. 400mph vs. 414mph and 8.5 minutes to 20k vs. 7 minutes (G vs. J/L).

OK, I guess I've rambled on long enough. In summary, my stance is that when/if we get another P-38, it should be the P-38G-10-LO because it was the most produced of the early variants, was in service in 1942, was the first equipped to operate in any climate, with the 12 rocket option it would retain an acceptable jabo capability (unlike the P-47D-11 and F4U-1), and its performance is different enough from the L to justify the work required to model it.


P.S.  What Mitsu said. ;)