Author Topic: wasn't the Sturmovik supposed to be a flying tank ?! (Read 891 times)

Soda · « **Reply #30 on:** November 04, 2002, 04:50:36 PM »

Saw some video of an Il-2 a while ago, kinda a tour of the aircraft. The armour in many parts really appeared to be really thick aluminum plate around the engine and cockpit areas. The guide giving the tour actually had some difficulty lifting open the engine cowl cover on one side and commented to the camera guy who got a close-up of the edge of the hatch. The edge appeared to be 1cm thick, far thicker than any aircraft sheet I've ever seen. REALLY bad joints between panels too, some could barely be considered matching and appeared to have been hammered together to try and flatten them out.

-Soda
The Assassins.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #31 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:31:47 PM »

Soda that wasn't aluminum it was steel....

Sachs · « **Reply #32 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:55:00 PM »

Have seen a Il-2 up close we looked at it and marveled at how thick the armor was!. The underside was just a big piece of Metal. now plywood. I was impressed when I saw it. What I see here does not represent what I have read and seen with my own eyes.

Soda · « **Reply #33 on:** November 04, 2002, 06:10:14 PM »

I figured it was steel but I know some parts were referred to as a type of aluminum in this video. Really rough fit on the panels though, wow, looked like the mountings underneath were all wrong, but I guess that's just the rugged look

Some of the plates looked as thick as the guides finger when they opened them.. it was hard to believe that it could even fly with a skin like that.

The Il-2 actually is pretty tough in AH. I've flown them through horrific .50 cal fire and walked away with very little wrong. .303's seem totally ineffective (to the point of laughable). 20mm are tough, especially in the tail, and can hurt you reasonably quickly. I don't know, that's what I expected from the plane and seems to be pretty much what it delivers. All that said though, with all the Osties out there an Il-2 simply can't survive. It's not tough enough to even consider taking an Ostie hit and remaining in the fight. Sure, it might survive, it's one of the few planes that can, but it is just as likely to lose an entire wing or more.

-Soda
The Assassins.

ergRTC · « **Reply #34 on:** November 05, 2002, 08:20:37 AM »

speaking of 303s, they should put it in on the german side in the next bob, that would be fun....

bioconscripter · « **Reply #35 on:** November 06, 2002, 09:37:09 PM »

Il-2 is too fragile in AH.

thrila · « **Reply #36 on:** November 06, 2002, 10:08:46 PM »

For me this thing is a tank, i took 3 37mm hits from a flakpanzer today and all i had was a dead gunner. The 23mm cannons rip GV's apart like a knife through butter, i love this plane.

Innominate · « **Reply #37 on:** November 07, 2002, 12:46:36 AM »

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Originally posted by thrila
For me this thing is a tank, i took 3 37mm hits from a flakpanzer today and all i had was a dead gunner. The 23mm cannons rip GV's apart like a knife through butter, i love this plane.

Thats callled a "fluke".

Il2 dies to 37mm rounds just as fast as anything else. As it probably should. Once again, the reason the il2 is so sickeningly vulnerable is that every target is a 37mm AA vehicle on a tank chassis.

The IL2 is a tankbuster for an arena where tanks are a rarity.

Goner · « **Reply #38 on:** November 08, 2002, 07:53:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Pooh21
Full realism they call it lol.

not only full realism, but also historically correct ...

"During this war with Germany, the Polikarpov I-16 began to be outclassed and to the ‘taran attacks.’ The Soviet fighters would deliberately ram their planes into the opposing German fighters and bombers risking their planes and their lives. "

http://www.tidetech.com/fighterfactory/polii16.html

Goner

Pooh21 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 08, 2002, 10:15:51 AM »

Once sure
twice maybe
after that youd think your prop would be bent all to hell

Pongo · « **Reply #40 on:** November 08, 2002, 12:36:58 PM »

They always had to bail after the attack. the intent wasnt to bash and land.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 08, 2002, 10:55:49 PM »

I already killed about 13 targets with the il-2 this tour for the loss of one.

I might be lucky but a lot of them where osties.

I climb to 4-5K and dive on them release a bomb and ....bye bye ostie

The il2 is a good tank killer if not excellent.

Soda · « **Reply #42 on:** November 09, 2002, 12:05:17 PM »

The Il-2 is fantastic against every vehicle except the Ostie. The problem is, almost every vehicle is an Ostie. Against the Ostie it is not really any better. What it makes up for with big cannons and the possibility of surviving a hit, it gives up in horrible climb/speed, and the small size of bombs. Seriously, the P-47 with a good dive is a better anti Ostie platform because it's speed is more effective than the armour, and the 1K bombs it can carry give a large enough blast radius to knock out an Ostie. The Il-2 simply has to get too close and is too slow to really get into the target unscathed. You can dive-bomb, but the awful climb rate simply doesn't compare.

It's not really a problem with the Il-2 in my opinion, it seems fine against almost everything, but it's a problem that the Ostwind is overpowerful and numerically dominant.

-Soda
The Assassins.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 10, 2002, 04:15:09 AM »

You can use rockets on the ostie with an Il-2
I use salvo 2 then dive in at a 60 degree angle when icon pops up I fire, and break off works pretty good. I have my sight calibrated for 1.4k but its only a 2 shot deal, and most osties when you kill them pop right back up over and over and over.

robsan · « **Reply #44 on:** November 11, 2002, 08:52:29 AM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I already killed about 13 targets with the il-2 this tour for the loss of one.

I might be lucky but a lot of them where osties.

I climb to 4-5K and dive on them release a bomb and ....bye bye ostie

The il2 is a good tank killer if not excellent.

Erm, you don't need an Il-2 to do that, or? just takes any ol' plane with a bomb...

Yet the Il-2 should have the armor to take out GV's in a way that any other plane would die in,
or was the Il-2 nicknamed "concrete bird" by the germans solely because it was slow?