Author Topic: wasn't the Sturmovik supposed to be a flying tank ?! (Read 1024 times)

Goner · « **on:** October 30, 2002, 02:52:24 AM »

hi,

just re-opened my account and went vehicle-busting (i just do not have what it takes to be a fighter pilot) ... or so i thought $:-\$
even an M-3 is hard to kill ; the guys in the back leaning out and taking pot-shots with their pistols kill you in 2 secs. flat.

Goner - disgusted ...

brady · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2002, 02:55:59 AM »

In it's defense:

The Il-2 is the only plane of it's size that I have sean shoulder hits from an osty and keep on trucking.

The tail was notioursly week, hiastoricaly.

The armor model porckage is exceaded curently only by net issues, lag, packet loss.

Goner · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2002, 03:11:37 AM »

Originally posted by brady
The Il-2 is the only plane of it's size that I have sean shoulder hits from an osty and keep on trucking.

well, i'll try to use it's shoulders more ... ;-) anything i attacked yesterday, M3's, Flaks, tanks got the better of me ...

The armor model porckage is exceaded curently only by net issues, lag, packet loss.

my connection was surprisingly good - maybe i wasn't ;-)

Goner

Pooh21 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:19:31 AM »

You can hit them with your cannons from about 600-700 out
m3s and m16s usually pop with 1 hit
gotta hit lvts more same with panzers
flaks use your rockets and bombs on him

Come in at a steep angle from the rear or side and shoot
I usually laugh at their MG fire.
Use rockets at about 1.4 out will usually only take 2 for a flak or tank

Innominate · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2002, 05:14:56 AM »

It is.
It's apparent weakness is caused by the binary damage model.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67502

thrila · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2002, 07:35:03 AM »

I've been having lots of fun in the IL2 lately. It seems to be tough whenever i fly it, i'm sure i've taken 37mm hits and flown on with no damage. With exception of the ostie, all gv's are easy prey for the IL2- the 23mm cannon rips them apart. Panzers are a little tougher but aslong as you attack from the rear you'll pop them with 1 or 2 passes with your cannon.

whgates3 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2002, 12:15:59 AM »

it was a well armored plane, but not a flying tank.
the thickest part of the armor was 12mm and only the cockpit & engine were armor protected

Innominate · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2002, 01:16:23 AM »

It's also worth noting that the il2 was a tank killer.

In AH, "GV killers" are up against nothing but AA vehicles, on top of that they're up against 95% ostwinds, which will 1-hit-kill the il2 easily. (The il2 will only survive if a non-critical part is hit, like a control surface.)

Really it's not a problem with the IL2, the design of ground vehicles really kills it. Still, the il2 CAN easily pop any GV in a pass or two, or kill an ostwinds gun with one pass(Assuming he doesnt hit you, thats the trick)

Bodhi · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2002, 08:16:59 AM »

Christ Innominate.... I sure hope you are never a mechanic... lets see here, ahh, just a control surface, we don't need that....

LOL

Innominate · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2002, 08:18:02 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Bodhi
Christ Innominate.... I sure hope you are never a mechanic... lets see here, ahh, just a control surface, we don't need that....

LOL

Bah.
Wings are overrated, control surfaces, doubly so.

Pongo · « **Reply #10 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:19:43 AM »

Certainly against half tracks the il2 rules. the 23mm can kill them at 1k plus. and a salvo of rockest at farther.
Agianst ostis the la7 works better. It has the speed to keep itself hard to hit which the il2 doesnt.

Soda · « **Reply #11 on:** October 31, 2002, 02:02:57 PM »

Agreed, the Il-2 is very good against most things except the Ostie. While it can actually take a 37mm Ostie hit and sometimes survive, the fact is 75% of all GV's are Osties and the Il-2 is so slow that they punish you at great range. The 23mm cannons are not all that effective against armour either, it's a hit and miss thing and at D800, about max range for landing reasonable cannon hits, the Ostwind has been blasting away for D2.0 already.

The Il-2 would be a blast if not for the Ostie. I sometimes even use it attacking PT boats. Against Osties, you are better to go with something else, like the La7 or P-47 where you can pour more hits on and hope to knock out the Ostie gun.

-Soda
The Assassins.

Innominate · « **Reply #12 on:** October 31, 2002, 02:25:28 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Soda
Against Osties, you are better to go with something else, like the La7 or P-47 where you can pour more hits on and hope to knock out the Ostie gun.

I'd have to argue this..
For killing osties with guns only, nothing comes close to the il2. Those 23mm cannons seem to go right through that armor. Even a few of those cannon rounds hitting will at least disable the osties gun. ONce the gun is dead, a solid pass from the rear will pop them without much trouble, or you can wait for them to just exit...

The trick is getting point blank shots on distracted osties, and coming in for a gun pass during a turn. (i.e. make a hard turn untill you're right on top of the ostie, then let him have it, so he can't line up when you're 1.5k out.) Then blast him at 400yards, and if he hasn't kill you at that point, you win.

Still, 1 v 1 against ostwinds, the il2 is screwed.

What the GV system needs is a draw away from the AA vehicles. AA vehicles should be just that, anti aircraft. The other vehicles, panzer, m8, tiger, whatever else will be added, should be the vehicles for killing other GV's, towns, fields, etc. The ostwind should be supporting the attack force, not leading it. I'm not really sure how to do this short of tweaking the damage inflicted on ground targets, reducing the ostwind, and increasing the damage to buildings from the 75mm+ guns...

metronom · « **Reply #13 on:** October 31, 2002, 06:01:07 PM »

" reducing the ostwind, and increasing the damage to buildings from the 75mm+ guns..."

Yes, I agree full to this. I used 42(!) cannon shells from the Panzer to destroy 1 FH. Thats no Hangar, it's a Atomic shelter.

Sailor

udet · « **Reply #14 on:** October 31, 2002, 06:14:14 PM »

In the game 'IL-2 Sturmovik' it is. I rammed an 109, it crashed but the only damage I got was a bent cowling. Go figure.