Time for ANTI-GUN people to put their money where their mouth is!

[Charon]

I think you should have more stringent laws in the US concerning who can acquire a gun. But, I am not sure it's a bad idea to have 'the right to bear arms'. My thinking is that it's ok for balanced people and that there needs to be some sort of evaluation - or at least some required training. I got guns - hunting rifles - but I had to get certified as a hunter before that (and that means some theory and plenty of shooting, safety regulations, firearms regulation theory and so on).

Exactly. Civilian pistol ranges can be scary places. Both from a lack of safety at times and some of the people you see packing. I bough a gun because I like shooting in the way some people like Golf, and I missed the smell of break-free after I left the military (funny, I never missed it while in the military ) I didn't buy one with dreams of the day I would confront that home intruder, and really show him, or because I ever expected to meet a home intruder (most rob when nobody is at home anyway). None of my pistols are accessible now in a ready to use fashion.

A few years back a guy killed his daughter. She wasn't supposed to be home, he came in late heard noises and grabbed his piece instead of the phone. His daughter jumped out of the closet to surprise him, and well, the surprise worked.

As for concealed carry, etc. Please. Even in Chicago there are very few places that one feels afraid for one's life, and those you can avoid unless you live there. If you live there, then concealed carry (illegal) is the norm anyway. Or take road rage. The Kennedy Expressway would make Omaha Beach seem tame if everyone carried a gun. It might improve driving manners somewhat though, which would be a good thing

Guns are not toys, but it seems that many people buy them because they look cool on TV and they are fairly painless to get if you have the $$$. No training classes, no time investment or money investment beyond the FOID card and weapon. Take this "Counter NINJA" at http://www.geekswithguns.com. Do you really want him living next to you when "I thought it wasn't loaded" happens? Would he still be rambo jr. if he had to go through some boring training program?

Charon

[Sabre]

Originally posted by Curval
Rip...I'm not "anti-gun" per se..hell, I love shooting the things.  But, since the Con..and this recent sniper event...I find myself shaking my head at the gun fanatics (NRA etc) in your country.

I say "since the Con"...because when we went to the gun-range that day I was absolutely astounded at the sheer number and variety of weapons that anyone over the age of 18 (or whatever the rules are) can buy.  I remember one wicked looking rifle...all black..which had a scope on it.  I saw it and thought to myself, "whoa...that looks cool...bet it is expensive".  It was $199.99..on sale.  Logically any unbalanced individual, who doesn't have a crimminal record, could buy one...load it up in the parking lot and start "a-killin".  That just simply frightens me.  

The fact that gun-ownership is a right...and is entrenched in your constitution, seems ludicrous to me.  That document was drafted right after a war...in the days in which there was very little in the way of any organised police-force..in a time when personal protection really did necessitate the owning of a gun.

I'm not so sure this is the case anymore.

That being said...I don't own any shares in Smith & Wesson, Remmington...or any gun manufacturer...if I did I would probably feel differently.

I respectfully request you read the following document to understand why the USA's founding fathers felt gun ownership was not only a right, but a duty, and why the right is every bit as relevant today...

Here's the link:

http://law.wustl.edu/WULQ/75-3/753-4.html

[midnight Target]

So if I don't own a gun I'm some kind of wimp? "Please don't hurt me, I won't resist"... what a load of crap!

There is more than one way to resist.. numbnuts. I don't own a gun and I guarantee that were I to catch someone unawares in my house they would not be happy about it. Buncha tough guys out there thinking that you need a gun to be a man! Get real!

[Dago]

Hey, if it wasnt for rifles, South Dakota would be absolutely overrun with Prarie Dogs.  So there, they have a great use.  Plus them little fellers sometimes flip real neat when ya whack em.  

dago

[midnight Target]

How about you gun wackos post this in your front yard:


I HAVE A GUN IN MY 3RD DRAWER NEXT TO MY BED. IF I HEAR YOU COMING I WILL SHOOT. BEST THING FOR YOU TO DO IS SHOOT ME FIRST.

[Dago]

There is more than one way to resist.. numbnuts. I don't own a gun and I guarantee that were I to catch someone unawares in my house they would not be happy about it.

Making the assumption are you that of course the burgalar won't have a gun?  If he did, you might not get the opportunity to show what a good old tough guy you are!  

dago

[Airhead]

Originally posted by midnight Target
....that were I to catch someone unawares in my house they would not be happy about it....

MT, you'll have to get up pretty early in the morning to catch me looking in your bedroom window.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Curval


I use a knife to cut my food up before I put it into my mouth...not to kill it.

There are lots of non-lethal uses for knives.  Give me ONE other use for a gun.

So why do we have all those nukes? Deterrent maybe? Ah, maybe if I have a gun I can scare someone away or subdue them and not actually have to kill them? But if it's me or them, I prefer it be them.

[Curval]

Originally posted by AKIron


So why do we have all those nukes? Deterrent maybe? Ah, maybe if I have a gun I can scare someone away or subdue them and not actually have to kill them? But if it's me or them, I prefer it be them.

If you pull out a gun and are not prepared to actually use it you are a lunatic.    Scaring people is not what guns were made for...they were made to kill.

[GtoRA2]

What are you talking about?

You may want to be more clear in the future. I think you mean this floats like toejam? But I am not sure since it is so criptic.

You think I am wrong? Why?

I am not sure where to find the statistics, but the FBI claims bombings in the US for murder are on the rise at an alarming rate.

[Soviet]

People have guns and use it to protect themselves and some like target shooting some even like to hunt.  You ban guns and criminals will move to the next deadly weapon or even easier, just buy their guns off the BLACK MARKET.  I mean banning guns just makes it so your average joe schmoe can't defend himself against someone robbing his house.  You think a criminal will think "hmm gun's are illegal now, i guess I better not commit a crime with a gun."

My father used to be a Seargant in the NYC Police department when I was growing up.  You'd be surprised how much of the guns that criminals get are actually guns smuggled in from outside the country or Black Market guns.  I remember him bringing back pictures of a capture he made of stuff like TEC-9s and stuff.  Hell even a Desert Eagle and even some chinese AK copy with a 10 round magazine and scope.  All purchased off the black market.

Some people claim "Oh any idiot can get a gun and kill people."  This is true but think about it, any idiot can walk into a place with a sword or a chainsaw or some kind of other crazy weapon and kill people.  Hell people can go mad and run people down with their car.  Gun's just have a bad reputation.

Gun's are fun to shoot, I enjoy firing one whenever I get the chance.  It's just like a sport, see how well you can shoot.  Well some people like to play sports, some people like to fish, and some people prefer hunting and shooting with guns.  Banning guns for sport is similiar to banning Footballs because "people can get hurt."

I never really understood why anti-gun people act that way.  I don't feel a threat from guns.  The chances are very low.  Cases like the sniper and the arizona things are just occurences that happen and are milked for all it's worth by the liberal media.  The same media who think shooting games are evil.  I mean come on, give me a break.

Just allow people whom have no criminal record and enjoy firearms to have them.

I leave you with one last thing:  my father used to say that if punishments for gun crimes were increased that gun crimes would go down.  Imagine this, if you rob a store with a firearm you get a minimum of 20 years jail time.  Who want's to waste 20 years of their life (and imagine spending your prime years of 20-40 in jail) in a prision?  I for sure wouldn't.  If a criminal can commit robbery with a gun and get out of jail in a few years it's not much deterence, but if he knows he's going to waste a lot of his life in jail it will deter him away from crime with guns.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Curval


If you pull out a gun and are not prepared to actually use it you are a lunatic.    Scaring people is not what guns were made for...they were made to kill.

I agree that you should be prepared to use a gun if you pull one. Just because you do pull it doesn't mean you have to use it though. What do you imagine the ratio is between the times a cop pulls a gun and the times he's killed someone with it?


To get a bit technical here, guns are made to make a profit for the manufacturer in most cases. I've owned guns to both kill and to serve as the deterrent I mentioned.

[lazs2]

mt... doubtless you are of superhuman strength and manliness but many in our society lack your master race breeding... some are old and infirm or even ... women.   The saying "god did not create men equal. colonel colt did"  is relevent here.   Oddly enough.... criminals tend to prey on the weak.
lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
mt... doubtless you are of superhuman strength and manliness but many in our society lack your master race breeding... some are old and infirm or even ... women.   The saying "god did not create men equal. colonel colt did"  is relevent here.   Oddly enough.... criminals tend to prey on the weak.
lazs

It's interesting that an adverstisement can become a "saying."

[Thrawn]

Depending on where I lived in the US I would probably own a gun.

Check out these statics.

Detroit: Population is about a million.  Homicides in 1999: 224.

Windsor 1999 (which is directly across the boarder from Detroit): Population is about six hundred thousand)  Homicides in 1999: 4.