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« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2002, 08:31:14 AM »
beetle... again.. you need to read what people are saying.  I fire about 2-3000 rounds of pistol ammo a year.  I enjoy it.  

england is not the U.S.  I would not mind having a gun in the U.K. but am not allowed.   I would emphaticly not want to live in the uk..  Lot of things wrong with the U.S. a lot of the things that are wrong with the U.S. are because we have so much freedom.   I wouldn't have it any other way.

I know 2 former limey's that are now U.S. citizens and they feel the same.  They both own guns.

I didn't feel safe in england because no one was armed.... I felt safe because everypone was such a socialist and... black people sounding like sir alec guiness was a little unbalancing.

We have a large population of alienated criminal blacks and non english speakers here illegaly (criminals) who "own" parts of most American cities.   That is where most of the violence takes place but.... It has spilled out and will again.  Only a fool thinks otherwise.

socialism is too high a price to pay to have our blacks and illegals sound like alec guiness.... and I LIKE guns.   They are marvelous works of the mechanical (and any other kind) art.   They are precision tools that the greatest craftsmen on earth have devised.  They require sqills that are fun to aquire and...  They are the best defense against those who would rob u of life or liberty.   They give the old and the infirm a fighting chance.  

Unlike socialism... I see no downside to firearms.  So why do people who have the choice.... and those who have the choice made for them, hate guns so much?   Why do they wish to take mine away from me?   I surmise it is mostly ignorance but for a lot of people whos choice has been removed for their government ....

You will never convince me that it isn't simple jealousy that drives them.
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« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2002, 08:50:36 AM »
Rip,

Best I can tell heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US, so "obesity" and "smoking" are associated risks that can be minimized by individual behavior.  The CDC claims that smoking is the "leading cause of preventable death" in the US.

What did I miss?  "Old age"?   Even a really big gun ain't going to help you there.   ;)
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« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2002, 08:52:31 AM »
Popeye, yes, Heart disease...lets hope the media doesn't focus on Heart disease like they do guns, then we'd have to give up butter! Because we all know ITS THE BUTTER THAT KILLS, NOT THE PERSON THAT INGESTS IT! :)

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« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2002, 08:55:14 AM »
You won't have to give up butter.  However, there might be a waiting period, and background checks....
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« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2002, 09:01:14 AM »
..and laws on the books that are not enforced too? ;)

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« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2002, 11:09:20 AM »
OK Lazs, fair comment(s). I know you go to a firing range or equivalent. Can you remember whereabouts you were in London when you heard the blacks that sounded like Alec Guinness? It would help me to form my own judgement about what you said in the Venice thread.

What I should have said is that you feel safe enough in London to risk going unarmed into a supposedly dodgy neighbourhood - indeed, a place where alcohol is consumed, and you felt safer doing that than some Americans feel in the security of their white middle class homes. You were prepared to go unarmed, whereas some folks here are quite emphatic about needing a gun for self defence in the home! But what's this...
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I felt safe because everypone was such a socialist
Not everyone in England is a socialist. I'm not a socialist. What does one's political orientation have to do with their risk assessment with regard to deadly weapons? Since you brought up socialism, I should comment on Russia - until ten years ago a Communist/socialist state, but whose homicide rate in the years 1997-1999 was three times that of the USA. So where do you get the idea that socialists are of no threat? I mean, what does that have to do with the price of fish? Or did the murder rate mushroom because Communism was outlawed?

Well Lazs, just to make you feel safe, here is something black - sounds remarkably like Sir Alec Guinness...

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« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2002, 11:17:24 AM »
Well you are leaving out something, you discounted it, but it is why I owned guns, I bought my first gun(that was not a hand me down from my old man) when I was taking classes, to become a reserve cop.  
 I would have bought it eventually anyway, I just love guns, I like taking them apart to see how they work, like Laz says the are a mechanical Marvel.  I have taken every gun I own apart, almost all the way to clean them and see what makes them tick, the only one I didn't was the 1911 my dad built and had a custom trigger job done on it. He told me NEVER take it apart and I respect that since I may not be able to get it back together as well as the pistol smith did.  The gun was built for one thing, putting .45 inch holes in paper.
 
Their are two primary reasons I own guns, one  they interest me and I like seeing how they work.
The second is to shoot for fun, both my Girlfriend and I enjoy shooting allot, and when I was doing it all the time I was shooting close to 400 rounds a week, just for fun.


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Maybe you are a responsible citizen. But to keep a gun to ward off a threat from outside undermines the belief that gun owners are safe and responsible. If you really believed that, you wouldn't need a gun because the only other people with guns would be safe and responsible. But you do keep a gun for self defense, and the answer must be that you know there are criminals out there with guns by whom you feel threatened, i.e. American gun control laws don't work.


I have felt threatened, but not recently and my guns stay locked up, but if I need them I know they are there, and do not assume the only threat to worry about is a man with a gun. A man with a knife within 20 feet of you is just as bad. ANY intruder in my home is a threat, and I would like the odds stacked in my favor if I have to deal with it.


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You don't really feel threatened, but you own a gun because the law allows it, and you want nothing more than to exercise your rights.


Not at all, I truly like guns, I wish I had the cash to truly collect them.
 I do cherish the right to bare arms though, and I do believe at some point, (I hope not in my life time) They are going to be needed to put a new government in place.




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Paranoia. I said that many Americans visit London/England, but the number is down 20% since September 11th, 2001. People are afraid to fly these days. In the aftermath of the al Qaeda atrocities last year, many people went out and bought guns. Why? Were they expecting bin Laden to show up on their doorstep? Or do they have conceal/carry permits and fancy themselves as self appointed guardians of the law?


I am not paranoid, but I do believe it is better to have a gun and not need one then be dead cause I didn't have one when I did.

The news media in the country sucks, it is all about ratings, to get ratings they scare people.  I flew on sept 11 and was not worried at all.

You did not live here long enough to understand why this is really important to many people.

I do believe, that if this right goes away, the rest will follow.
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« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2002, 11:31:41 AM »
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I flew on sept 11 and was not worried at all.
Did you mean outside the US, and/or a year other than 2001? Because the US airspace was shut down on 11 Sept 2001. A limey friend of mine who lives in the US (and does not own a gun) flew on September 15th, 2001 and said he was one of only two passengers on the flight. Clearly many people were worried.

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« Reply #68 on: October 31, 2002, 11:33:22 AM »
No sept 11 this year, one year after.

and no not out of the U.S.


The airport was very empty, lol best flight I ever took, I think I will do it again next year and hope it is the same.

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« Reply #69 on: October 31, 2002, 11:42:11 AM »
Look everyone! Lazs is an Racist.
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« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2002, 12:54:39 PM »
beetle...  I was prepared to go unarmed in your country because... it was your country.   I followed the rules.   I felt england was like a big theme park.  very clean with strict rules and iI allways felt like I would be kicked out if I broke some park rule.   I don't want to live there... a little island with little narrow roads and I allways felt crowded.    A bizzare land with strange taxes (they tax televisions USE there) where a dented car is illegal and it is against the law to eat or drink while in the car.    Nobody armed except the police and the government...  gloomy weather and....  warnings everywhere to watch out for picl pockets.    Not really for me.   Given the choice I would like the freedom to go armed or not in your country.    I don't feel unsafe in my own country 99% of the time but I feel that it is my decision and not yours or the govenments wether I go armed or not.... in my home or elsewhere.

and... I know I have mentioned this more than once but.. I don't drink.  
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« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2002, 01:02:45 PM »
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Look everyone! Lazs is an Racist.


Brainwashed PC police out in force!

Umm, show me where please?

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« Reply #72 on: October 31, 2002, 01:33:51 PM »
I don't quite get this notion about guns and how it'll protect you in your home.  In your own home you are not judge/jury/exocutioner.  Believe it or not, you still have a duty of safety on your property even to a trespasser.  Most often though, that handgun in the house is found by a child or weilded during a domestic disturbance with deadly consequences.  I'm not against guns within certain parameters (I don't want everyone twirling them on the street and playing "cowboy"), but I have elected not to have them in this house and I will risk the loss of property.  But I don't live in fear.  And I guarantee you, a robber/thief/rapist is not going to knock on your door first and announce his presence to you and count to 20-alligator for you to get your gun before he comes in.  

I'll still never understand that case many yeras back where the Japanese exchange student was shot and killed on the front doorstep of some guy's house on Halloween night...and he was found innocent of all charges!

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« Reply #73 on: October 31, 2002, 01:39:02 PM »
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I followed the rules. I felt england was like a big theme park. very clean with strict rules and iI allways felt like I would be kicked out if I broke some park rule. I don't want to live there... a little island with little narrow roads and I allways felt crowded. A bizzare land with strange taxes (they tax televisions USE there) where a dented car is illegal and it is against the law to eat or drink while in the car.
I thought I was the one who could not stick to the point. This thread is about guns, but here you go talking about roads, taxes, televisions etc...

My point was made for me in one of your earlier posts. You came to England and said you felt as threatened as at a Church bingo night  - even in a toejamty area of London. Well I can tell you that where I live is much nicer than that, so now you can see why I feel no need to own a gun. By the way, we can own guns if we want to. We have firing ranges here too, but most people don't bother.

Just remember next time you're in England - We decide whether or not you can have a gun while you're here. :D

I didn't know you were a non-drinker. You said you were in a bar in London. I know you don't have to drink alcohol in bars, but it does seem a strange place to visit if you don't. But then again, I visited St. Paul's Cathedral earlier this month, and I am "non-denominational", so to speak...

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« Reply #74 on: October 31, 2002, 01:53:24 PM »
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In your own home you are not judge/jury/exocutioner. Believe it or not, you still have a duty of safety on your property even to a trespasser


But it is ok for the intruder to be????

So you think it is wrong to defend yourself?


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Most often though, that handgun in the house is found by a child or weilded during a domestic disturbance with deadly consequences


You have any number to back that up?