The "Justice" System Is Failing the American People: Stop The Insanity......

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by mietla
Again, I understand your position, but don't hide behind the "choice" and/or "keep the government out of my life" facade.

It's not hiding.  It's my belief that a woman's right to chose is more important then the non-viable fetus's.

Don't hide behind some BS, "It's about the children."  facade.  How many crack babies have you adopted recently?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by mietla


That is just a window dressing. I don't want to get into the abortion discussion itself. All I'm trying to do, is to point out that the pro-abortion forces want to make their position more palatable by redefining terms, shifting the focus of a debate and  omitting a significant portion of their agenda.

You say, let a woman "choose". In reality, you want much more. You want abortion to be not only legal, but also:

- available to any woman at any time for any (or no) reason
- to be free (thus forcing abortion oponents to finance it)
- to be advertised/encouraged by the doctors
- to be available to minors without their parents consent (or even knowledge)
- made available and free for women in other countries (paid of course by the US taxpayer)
- available to the woman even AFTER pregnacy ends (late term abortion).

In short, the pro-abortion stance is to use it as a birth control.

I can respect your position, but be honest and call things by their names.

Not only that, I'm for retroactive abortion.

The next time my son leaves his dirty socks on the sofa, he's done.

[mietla]

Originally posted by Thrawn


It's not hiding.  It's my belief that a woman's right to chose is more important then the non-viable fetus's.
 

You are scaling down. Obviously endangered life of a viable woman vs. life of un-viable fetus. It sure makes a clear-cut case.

Would you care to state your position on the rest of the agenda?

- available to any woman at any time for any (or no) reason
- to be free (thus forcing abortion oponents to finance it)
- to be advertised/encouraged by the doctors
- to be available to minors without their parents consent (or even knowledge)
- made available and free for women in other countries (paid of course by the US taxpayer)
- available to the woman even AFTER pregnacy ends (late term abortion).

Be honest! If you are not, you are risking winding up dangerously close to my position on the issue.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by mietla


You are scaling down. Obviously endangered life of a viable woman vs. life of un-viable fetus.

It's what I stated all along.


- available to any woman at any time for any (or no) reason / Yes during the the first five months of pregnancy.

- to be free (thus forcing abortion oponents to finance it) / Sure, I'm used to paying for universal health care.

- to be advertised/encouraged by the doctors / No.  Advised, yes.

- to be available to minors without their parents consent (or even knowledge) / Yes to without consent, I have to think about the knowledge issue some more.

- made available and free for women in other countries (paid of course by the US taxpayer) / I don't care if a US taxpayer has to pay for someones abortion.  I wouldn't want to pay as a Canadian taxpayer though.

- available to the woman even AFTER pregnancy ends (late term abortion). Hells no to late term abortion.

[mietla]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Don't hide behind some BS, "It's about the children."  facade.  

Nah, that a Hillary-esk gunk. It's about who can decide to terminate a human life (and what IS a human life) and for what reason.


Always?
Never?
Depends?
How do you justify it?
Is abortion different than a death penalty?
When does a human life begin?


They are all profound questions, and I do not pretend to have a "clear/right" answer. In fact, I know, I do not know the right answer. The "depends" (the least clear answer seems the safest to be honest).

You on the other hand seem to be very clear on that. Just let the person who benefits from killing choose.

Would you allow the family of a murder victim decide the murderer's fate by giving them the "right to choose"?

How many crack babies have you adopted recently?

As you expected... None.

BTW, you are not saying that but aborting these babies, we are doing them "a favor" but not sentencing them to a cruel and miserable life, do you?

You are changing a tune here. From a lofty "right to choose" you are switching to a pragmatic "is it worth it/who's going to pay for it". Be careful!

Who needs mentally ill?
Who really needs elderly people?
Who needs homeless?

[mietla]

BTW, don't misunderstand my previous post as an attempt to call you Nazi. Normally, I would never thought that my post can be misconstrued, but an those BBs you never know.


I'm not attacking you personally (leave alone calling you names). My point is that once we accept a pragmatic "who's going to pay for this" and "what is a definition of a human" as a criteria for who is allowed to live and who dies, we are on a very steep slippery slope.

[Dowding (Work)]

Paranoia is such terrible afflication, isn't it Cabby?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM


Life is hard.

If it helps you sleep... consider it all part of God's plan.

huh?

murdering babies help you sleep?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by mietla
BTW, don't misunderstand my previous post as an attempt to call you Nazi. Normally, I would never thought that my post can be misconstrued, but an those BBs you never know.


I'm not attacking you personally (leave alone calling you names). My point is that once we accept a pragmatic "who's going to pay for this" and "what is a definition of a human" as a criteria for who is allowed to live and who dies, we are on a very steep slippery slope.

What slope?

Leave the decision to the woman with the womb.

Oh... and the late term abortion thing... that's just a subject that gets thrown into the mix to polarize and politicize the argument. Most (if not all) late term abortions are done when the woman's life is at risk. The decision is not made lightly. It shouldn't be an issue at all.

[Sandman]

I get it... you want to take your beliefs from the myopic viewpoint of your life and apply them to everyone else regardless of their experience or beliefs.

As if your perception of reality is the only one that matters...