Another night of grief

[hblair]

Logged on, rooks reduced to home island, I up and run into a fighter sweep from a country that outnumbers us 3:1. I kill a few of them but 3-4 pin me down and kill me. I logged, and it was one of those rare instances when I was honestly mad.

I think what we're all looking for is input HT, any kind of input on your view of this problem. I wouldn't be surprised if you already have some solution coded. But not knowing if you even think there's a problem here is kinda worrisome.

[john9001]

i have said it before , if the rooks don't wan't to fly , you can't make them, rooks have the numbers , they just don't want to fly, don't punish the bish and knights because of that.

[J_A_B]

Bah, you're just afraid of losing your gang/vulch fest


My experiences pretty much mirror yours Hblair.  


J_A_B

[Karnak]

Originally posted by john9001
i have said it before , if the rooks don't wan't to fly , you can't make them, rooks have the numbers , they just don't want to fly, don't punish the bish and knights because of that.

Utter and complete roadkill.  If you actually believe this idiocy, well, you're a moron.

Rooks have roughly the same percentage of people flying as any other side.

RJO nights are rare, and when they are happening we have a far, far, far greater percentage of Rooks flying than do the Knits or Bish.

Even on RJO night we can no longer exceed the casual numbers of the Knights.

If the Knights held a "KJO" night or the Bishops held a "BJO" night they'd exceed 400 players.

If you honestly think that Rooks should hold RJO night every night just so we can be competitive, you're completely off your rocker.  We have jobs, families and lives just like you (assuming you do) and can't play AH eight hours a day.

[Shane]

Originally posted by hblair
Logged on, rooks reduced to home island,

yes it is...   post this kind of pix under the numbers tracking thread, with time, date and map.


keep 'em all in one thread for better continuity.

[Kweassa]

When things are like this, the game's rigged.

 Nobody wants to lose their bucks against a rigged jackpot machine.

 Fix it.

[Wotan]

When I first came to ah I was a rook. The numbers were ok but I joined a lw squad and went knight. The knights were putting together KAG at the time. After it broke down do to a good portion of the lw quitting AH we went back to rooks for a 6 days.

All we got were arguements, squeaking and whining over the country channel. Half my squad would have quit the squad then stay as a rook. We actually lost a few squaddies the day we went rook. So we jumped ship again. We had every intention of going rook because of the shift in numbers we saw.

You could not drag us back to rooks and its not because of the numbers issues.

If it was fun to fly with the rooks the numbers wouldnt matter.

[Thrawn]

Look, switch to the Bish or Nits.  Will that make the problem worse?  YES!  Then maybe HTC will take it seriously.

[Greese]

Would you rather be told which country you will be flying for that evening?

What about squads?

Side balancing is an issue, but in my opinion, needs to be addressed at the community level, not by HTC.  If sides are out of balance, should it be up to HTC which country you fly for?

[Fancy]

Originally posted by Oedipus
Waaah! ?

"It's just a game. Play and get over it"


   Oed

It's just tough.  you want to play but sometimes the situation is so dire that little enjoyment can be had.  So there is no joy in just playing.  What would you have us do?  Keep upping from 1 of 4 bases only to get vulched in the first 30 seconds?

[Pongo]

Wotan
what you saw was the effect of getting gang banged for months. not the reason for getting gang banged for months.
It is cool that you tried to help. But dont think you saw the cause..you saw a symptom.

Well meaning people jump to rook for a night and find out its not fun at all. So they focus on some syptom as they go back to their other countries where the game is frankly 10 times easier to be successful at and far less stressful as you pick and choose how you will win as apposed to having how you will lose forced on you.

But thanks for deciding that the rooks deserve this treatment. In reallity you found what all rooks find out. Its not fun being hammered. They have taken it for months and you coudnt take it for a week.

[hblair]

Originally posted by Greese
Would you rather be told which country you will be flying for that evening?

What about squads?

Side balancing is an issue, but in my opinion, needs to be addressed at the community level, not by HTC.  If sides are out of balance, should it be up to HTC which country you fly for?

HTC doesn't have to neccessarily tell us which country to fly for. They could penalize pilots scores and/or perk point values if the country they are flying (we'll say country #2)  for has a large ratio (whatever ratio is appropriate) of pilots over country #1. But if they attack country #3 which has a comparable number of pilots, there's no penalty.

But the important thing is just knowing whether or not HT sees a problem with this.

[Dead Man Flying]

I'm of the mind that things like this tend to fluctuate over time and even things out.  Lately, however, I've been having a change of heart about it for reasons other than have been mentioned here.

Last night after almost 200 Knights and 140 Bishops reset 80 Rooks on the Pacific map, we moved to the Baltic... where promptly 50 Bishops attacked seven (yes, seven) Rooks who decided to stick around after the reset and 70 or so Knights attacked undefended Bishops bases in the east.

What's happened to the incentive to find the fight?  50 against 70 sounds like a fun matchup, and yet these two sides were avoiding one another and going for the easy land grabs with overwhelming and insurmountable odds.  Somehow that seems anathema to what an air combat simulator is all about, but maybe that's just me.

I can only guess that the emphasis on winning the war and earning perk points for it causes this kind of behavior.  The funny thing is that in an hour of furballing and mixing it up, it's possible to get far more perk points from combat alone than from resetting the map.  And yet the need to take bases (and I'm not against grabbing bases, mind you) perpetuates a low-risk, low-resistence sort of strategy.  The real key to winning is to take as many undefended or lightly defended bases as possible and avoid quagmire 50 vs. 70 situations that stall base capture.  In other words, the strategy for successfully resetting the map in AH is not necessarily the same strategy for ensuring plentiful and balanced air combat.  So long as "winning" remains the focus without side-balancing mechanisms in place, one side will always be the red-headed stepchild.

Just some thoughts.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Wotan]

Thats not quite true Pongo,


We switched to rooks some time ago. Before the number swing was as drastic as it is now. We went back to knights at the time when the knights spent 7 consecutive weeks in the bucket.


I dont care much about numbers. With the bish and the knights we always found a few guys we could fly with. As rook all we got was grief.

If I remember correctly the time we went to rook was about the same time the assissins switched from bish to rook. They didnt stay there to much longer then we did. They went back Bish. Ofcourse I could be wrong.

As for rooks deserving it.... I could careless about that. I just offered the experience of my squad and myself. You may claim the numbers caused what we saw but I am more likely to believe its the other way around.

Anyway jg26 switched sosthe neighborhood may be improving over there.

[Furious]

I believe it is a stigma thing now.  The rooks are always outnumbered, why be a rook?

I think we could try a 4th piece (ie. pawn, king, queen) and rotate out a piece every reset.  Still 3 teams but no stigma attached to a silly chess peice.

Have the system assign each player to the team with the lowest numbers or if a squad member is already on assign them to the team their squad is on.  They can always change teams after log on (1 per 12 hours).


Also, this would mix the teams up a bit.  You hate your opponent until you get a chance to fly with him.


F.