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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2002, 12:28:39 PM »
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Dependence on foreign oil. Do I need to say more about where most terrorists originate from?


Still not sufficient to galvanize the American public in favor of pumping oil in a wildlife preserve.  Maybe if that oil supply were cut off, then it'd be a valid response to high gas prices and an energy crisis, but just the idea of being dependent on foreign oil isn't enough.  We've been dependent on foreign oil since WW2, and probably even before then.

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2002, 12:42:41 PM »
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Still not sufficient to galvanize the American public in favor of pumping oil in a wildlife preserve.  Maybe if that oil supply were cut off, then it'd be a valid response to high gas prices and an energy crisis, but just the idea of being dependent on foreign oil isn't enough.  We've been dependent on foreign oil since WW2, and probably even before then.


I *thought* 9/11 woke a few folks up, even those that disagree with foreign policy, hell what better way to address the issue of US foreign policy then to pull out, and be dependant on our own?  We're talking 1/1000 of 1% of the area here...

We're at 62% dependant now...should we wait until we're 100% dependant so they got us by the balls? I think not...
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2002, 12:53:52 PM »
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Still not sufficient to galvanize the American public in favor of pumping oil in a wildlife preserve.  Maybe if that oil supply were cut off, then it'd be a valid response to high gas prices and an energy crisis, but just the idea of being dependent on foreign oil isn't enough.  We've been dependent on foreign oil since WW2, and probably even before then.


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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2002, 01:11:53 PM »
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We're at 62% dependant now...should we wait until we're 100% dependant so they got us by the balls? I think not...


Aren't feeling it in the wallet yet.  Besides, we'll never be 100% dependent.  Riots at the gas pumps will reduce the population sufficiently before demand totals domestic supply.

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2002, 01:12:51 PM »
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gofaster u a CA native or sumpin? :)


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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2002, 01:36:25 PM »
Don't kid yourself Rip. Oil harvested in Alaska will likely be pumped down to your country through pipes that run through mine. Do you know what this means? It means that you'll now be at the mercy of any lumberjack with a chainsaw and a bad attitude! Ha ha ha we'll own you! Hows that for dependancy! :D

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2002, 01:46:48 PM »
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Hehe. I love it when political parties claim a "mandate from the people" for their entire "agenda", based on a slim majority


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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2002, 02:35:58 PM »
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Don't kid yourself Rip. Oil harvested in Alaska will likely be pumped down to your country through pipes that run through mine. Do you know what this means? It means that you'll now be at the mercy of any lumberjack with a chainsaw and a bad attitude! Ha ha ha we'll own you! Hows that for dependancy! :D


That lil' bit of oil in the AWNR will only reduce our depenadancy to imports somewhere in the range of 7%. When looking at the projected output in an optomistic light that number could go up to as high as 8.5%.

Those are rather hefty increases in domestic production but it won't cause much of an impact on our dependancy on oil imports.

Some will see it as having a significant impact in the US becoming more self sufficiant, others will see it as pandering to big oil.

I see both.

What I don't see is a plan to replace that reserve or reduce our dependance for when it bleeds out in 20 or so years...seems to me it would be wise to keep it in reserve for when we actualy need it instead of extracting it when the political atmosphere is condusive to it.

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2002, 03:22:06 PM »
Exactly.  Import the other guy's oil during peace time, extract our own when the shooting starts.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2002, 03:29:37 PM »
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Exactly.  Import the other guy's oil during peace time, extract our own when the shooting starts.


Well, never let it be said that the Reps would rather put logic ahead of profit. This is especialy true with an oil man in the oval office.