Author Topic: Thank God... (Read 547 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #15 on:** November 06, 2002, 06:56:52 PM »

Just a driver's a California Drivers License? Do you have to be a citizen to get one?

mietla · « **Reply #16 on:** November 06, 2002, 06:59:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Just a driver's a California Drivers License? Do you have to be a citizen to get one?

no, that's the point. A bank deposit slip and a phone bill makes you an instant Citizen.

Sandman · « **Reply #17 on:** November 06, 2002, 06:59:35 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla

What does ID have to do with the proof of citizenship.

Not much, I agree, but I don't recall proving my citizenship before I was allowed to register.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #18 on:** November 06, 2002, 07:00:10 PM »

No you don't need to be a US citizen to get a CA drivers license.

And again a drivers license or any sort of solid picture ID is not even required under this law...

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** November 06, 2002, 07:03:04 PM »

No argument from me Grun. The ID requirements were a bit dicey at best.

BUT.. it would have made voter fraud a felony.

mietla · « **Reply #20 on:** November 06, 2002, 07:06:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
BUT.. it would have made voter fraud a felony.

So what? It will be practically undetectable and bet you a dollar that they will NEVER enforce it.

Besides, by the time the fraud is discovered the elections are over.

Thrawn · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2002, 07:12:17 PM »

Makes me wonder why they didn't drop the id thing and keep the fraud bit...unless they were trying to slide in the id thing because all those new voters would vote dem?

Pretty toejamty thing to do if that was the case.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #22 on:** November 06, 2002, 07:36:15 PM »

I bet that was it Thrawn. I dont wanna come off sounding like a jerk but the reality in Califrionia is that this was prolly meant to get undocumented migrant mexican farmworkers and other illegal immigrants to vote, and I give you three guesses as to which way the UFW and other such organizations would encourage them to vote. Pretty dirty trick if you ask me, I'm glad it failed and im even more glad that we on both sides here seem to agree on the questinable nature of this proposition.

Sandman · « **Reply #23 on:** November 06, 2002, 07:57:55 PM »

The truth of it is registration is already ridiculously easy.

I don't see 52 as increasing the chances of voter fraud any more than the current system.

mietla · « **Reply #24 on:** November 06, 2002, 08:13:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The truth of it is registration is already ridiculously easy.

Agree, and we shouuld make it more difficult to register illegals

Kieran · « **Reply #25 on:** November 06, 2002, 08:51:33 PM »

C'mon, Sandman, you know darn well what group of potential voters was being recruited, and you know perfectly well how the majority would have voted. You're a smart guy, and the attempt is pretty transparent.

ra · « **Reply #26 on:** November 06, 2002, 09:53:03 PM »

The name of every politician who promoted this blatant attempt to subvert national sovereignty should be published for the voters, so they will know who to vote against next time around.

As it is, these dirtbags are free to continue their selfish political careers without fear of paying any price. If this scam is ever discussed in the future, the dirtbags will just claim they were trying to help the poor and downtrodden to vote. Bless their hearts.

ra

-ammo- · « **Reply #27 on:** November 06, 2002, 09:57:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Did you show an ID before you voted?

I didn't. In fact I can't remember the last time (if ever) that I was asked to prove my identity before grabbing my ballots and casting my votes.

Prop-52 would have made a valid ID a requirement to register on election day.

EDIT: I've read it Grunherz... it's straight off the state election info. It's just the argument against. There is an arguement for and rebuttals for each.

Every time I have voted I have been prompted for identification, and I was in uniform at the time.

Tumor · « **Reply #28 on:** November 06, 2002, 10:19:08 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
"Prop-52 would have made a valid ID a requirement to register on election day."

Which would eliminate a significant portion of the poor and disenfranchised voters.

Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeetch it out there libby

Anyone too poor to afford a valid ID? Gimme a friggin break.

Airhead · « **Reply #29 on:** November 06, 2002, 11:40:25 PM »

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C'mon, Sandman, you know darn well what group of potential voters was being recruited, and you know perfectly well how the majority would have voted. You're a smart guy, and the attempt is pretty transparent.

Kieran, exactly- the vote was a backlash against Hispanic people. I voted for Prop. 52 because I think everybody should have a say in what effects them whether they're citizens or not. Migrant workers pay taxes, earn less and work harder than most people do, so why not let them vote? It's too bad Prop. 52 was voted down.