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Offline mietla

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« on: November 06, 2002, 06:25:19 PM »
... yet another democrat attempt to muck with elections by letting illegals vote fails


CA Proposition 52 goes down.

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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2002, 06:29:07 PM »
Why in gods name would you let a non citizen vote in an election?? :confused:

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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2002, 06:30:16 PM »
Even I voted against that one.

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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2002, 06:30:31 PM »
to win perhaps?

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2002, 06:31:54 PM »
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Even I voted against that one.


MT. There is some decency and common sense still left in this world.

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2002, 06:32:33 PM »
Did you even read the proposition or are you just listening to the talking heads?

http://www.smartvoter.org/2002/11/05/ca/state/prop/52/

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Allows persons who are legally eligible to vote and have valid identification to register to vote on election day at their polling place. Increases criminal penalty for voter and voter registration fraud. Makes conspiracy to commit voter fraud a crime. Requires trained staff at polling places to manage election day registration. Creates fund to implement measure, including training and providing personnel for election day registration. Allows persons to register or re-register during 28 days preceding election day at their local elections office. Provides more time to county election officials to prepare voter registration lists.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2002, 06:38:34 PM »
yeah right. A bank deposit slip and a phone bill makes you a Citizen now :(




(b) For purposes of this section, proof of current residence for a voter attempting to vote at the polling place at which he or she is entitled to vote based on his or her current residence address shall consist of:
(1) A current, valid California driver’s license or California identification card that includes the name and current residence address of the voter; or
(2) Any two documents from the categories listed below, except that no more than one document per category listed in subparagraphs (L) and (M) shall be used, both of which shall contain the name and current residence address of the voter:
(A) Military identification.
(B) College or university fee card or student identification.
(C) Lease agreement.
(D) Mortgage statement.
(E) Property tax statement.
(F) Income tax return.
(G) Utility bill.
(H) Credit card bill.
(I) Bank statement.
(J) Preprinted check or bank deposit slip.
(K) Vehicle registration.
(L) Mail addressed to the voter at his or her current residence address.
(M) Sworn written statement given in the presence of a poll worker at the polling place from a registered voter in the precinct stating that he or she knows and can identify the person who is attempting to vote, and attesting to the name and residence address of the person attempting to vote.

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2002, 06:39:11 PM »
Read this:

http://voterguide.ss.ca.gov/propositions2.asp?id=322&sID=3

Proposition 52 makes it easier for CRIMINALS, DISHONEST POLITICIANS and NON-CITIZENS to commit ELECTION FRAUD.

That’s why District Attorneys, Sheriffs, Cops, and Elections Officials across California urge you to VOTE NO on 52.

Prop. 52 appears well intentioned, until you read the fine print. This poorly drafted measure is full of LOOPHOLES and HIDDEN AGENDAS that will lead to MASSIVE ELECTION FRAUD in California. It’s a classic example of a cure that is worse than the disease.

PROP. 52 DOES NOT REQUIRE PHOTO IDENTIFICATION. California already has one of the most liberal elections laws in the nation. Registration forms are widely available and county elections officials have only 15 days to check for fraud and prepare voter rolls. But under Prop. 52, a person could register and cast a ballot on Election Day with “identification” that is nothing more than any piece of mail addressed to them and a student lease agreement, credit card bill, or other unofficial identification. No photo ID would be required.

If Proposition 52 passes, elections officials will have no way of knowing if the person suddenly registering on Election Day is entitled to vote, or, for that matter, even a citizen of the United States. And they will have no time to check the validity of the registration before the ballot is cast.

PROP. 52 MAKES IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DETECT FRAUD AND OVERTURN ELECTIONS WON WITH PHONY VOTES. Under Prop. 52, ballots cast by those registering on Election Day will be mixed together with all other ballots. There will be no way for law enforcement and elections officials to go back after Election Day and determine if an election was won by fraud. The penalties against election fraud contained in Prop. 52 are useless, because the measure makes it impossible to ever prove the crime!

District Attorneys, Sheriffs, Cops and Elections Officials OPPOSE Prop. 52. So do Republicans, Democrats, Labor and Taxpayer Groups.

Working Californians OPPOSE Prop. 52. Our right to have our vote counted in fair elections will no longer exist in California if this measure passes.

Forty-four other states wisely do not allow Election Day registration.

The six small states with laws similar to Prop. 52 are not like California. Our state is too big, and the potential for abuse too high, to enact a law that makes it easier to commit fraud.

In a typical election, almost half of legally registered voters choose not to vote. Making it easier for FELONS, NONCITIZENS AND OTHERS NOT QUALIFIED TO VOTE TO COMMIT FRAUD, will not solve the problem of low turn out.

In the wake of the controversy and chaos surrounding the 2000 Election in Florida, other states are looking to improve election laws and crack down on vote fraud. California must not go in the other direction by opening the door to fraud and election abuse

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2002, 06:40:18 PM »
Did you show an ID before you voted?

I didn't. In fact I can't remember the last time (if ever) that I was asked to prove my identity before grabbing my ballots and casting my votes.

Prop-52 would have made a valid ID a requirement to register on election day.

EDIT: I've read it Grunherz... it's straight off the state election info. It's just the argument against. There is an arguement for and rebuttals for each.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2002, 06:41:58 PM »
Where does it say anything about criminals or illegal immigrants? :confused:

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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2002, 06:43:38 PM »
This is verbatim from the actual text of the law...

http://voterguide.ss.ca.gov/propositions2.asp?id=322&sID=4

b) For purposes of this section, proof of current residence for a voter attempting to vote at the polling place at which he or she is entitled to vote based on his or her current residence address shall consist of:
(1) A current, valid California driver’s license or California identification card that includes the name and current residence address of the voter; or
(2) Any two documents from the categories listed below, except that no more than one document per category listed in subparagraphs (L) and (M) shall be used, both of which shall contain the name and current residence address of the voter:
(A) Military identification.
(B) College or university fee card or student identification.
(C) Lease agreement.
(D) Mortgage statement.
(E) Property tax statement.
(F) Income tax return.
(G) Utility bill.
(H) Credit card bill.
(I) Bank statement.
(J) Preprinted check or bank deposit slip.
(K) Vehicle registration.
(L) Mail addressed to the voter at his or her current residence address.
(M) Sworn written statement given in the presence of a poll worker at the polling place from a registered voter in the precinct stating that he or she knows and can identify the person who is attempting to vote, and attesting to the name and residence address of the person attempting to vote.


So no actual picture ID like a drivers license is required at all, its one of the many very generous liberal ID options...

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2002, 06:43:40 PM »
"Prop-52 would have made a valid ID a requirement to register on election day."


Which would eliminate a significant portion of the poor and disenfranchised voters.

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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2002, 06:45:28 PM »
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"Prop-52 would have made a valid ID a requirement to register on election day."


Which would eliminate a significant portion of the poor and disenfranchised voters.


They are all ready eliminated if they haven't registered two weeks prior.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2002, 06:53:53 PM »
Read the actual text of the law, no picture ID of any type is required at all under that scheme.

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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2002, 06:55:12 PM »
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Prop-52 would have made a valid ID a requirement to register on election day..



What does ID have to do with the proof of citizenship.