Author Topic: justice priorities? (Read 914 times)

Curval · « **Reply #30 on:** November 08, 2002, 03:24:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Mr. Fish is incredibly lucky, period.

Curval is out of his mind, period.

Perhaps you should gun me down too then.

If mrfish's life was in imminent danger, then yea, he has every right to protect himself...which is why I said "Maybe" the guy deserves to be shot. If though it was a half hearted attempt to scare mrfish...which I "suspect" is the case (and could be wrong..I admit) then shooting him would be over the top.

My post was more of a reaction to the fact that people seemed to be immediately advocating the shooting of this guy because he is a drug induced menace...and a bum. I was merely pointing out that as none of us know the story behind this guy that we shouldn't just rush to judgement and pull out the guns.

senna · « **Reply #31 on:** November 08, 2002, 04:01:48 PM »

Cops woulda let him go casa they wanted to leave it up to you to be the judge of the incident. Naturaly you would press charges. Hes just a crazy person, withered down through the years to an animal. Not much left of him probably. By not demolishing his face, you did yourself a big favor. Hey no guild afterwards for taking down a crazy person. He wasnt gona rob you, he had no real motive other than being nuts. Better to get a few licks and be on the defense afterwards.

Them crazies in SF arent to much of a threat. Theyre just a buncha destroyed heroin addicts. In a group though, you could have realy been in danger. A group with maybe one heatlhy one, oh oh. Run for it....

whgates3 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 08, 2002, 04:11:43 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
Save us taxpayers money
Buy a firearm and learn the way the Feds drop guys like your kooky friend...2 shots to the pump (heart) and one to the computer (brain).
Sorry, no pity for kooks like that...Yes, Im a bad bad person.

thats quite a provocative statement.
before we take your advice, i think we should know:
how many people have you killed?

mrfish · « **Reply #33 on:** November 08, 2002, 04:25:30 PM »

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Originally posted by senna
Them crazies in SF arent to much of a threat. Theyre just a buncha destroyed heroin addicts. In a group though, you could have realy been in danger. A group with maybe one heatlhy one, oh oh. Run for it....

up and down the coast- even in seattle and portland. it's a sad commentary.

no they aren't threats, usually, but they have us walking around with our heads downs trying to ignore them all the time, trying not to make eye contact, putting up with them pawing at you all the time and crapping on your doorstep....

that says something stupid about the permissivity of our society - that's beyond tolerance.

senna · « **Reply #34 on:** November 08, 2002, 04:29:52 PM »

Well he did have a knife so he was dangerous with that. But he threw it down so he musta wanted to challenge you somehow in a crazy man vs man way to make his day better? Very very crazy stuff. However throwing the knife down meant that he will attack you physically. At least to me it says that. Glad to know you didnt get hurt from it.

~~Otherwise with a knife he could maintain an upper level of a threat if thats only what it was.~~

miko2d · « **Reply #35 on:** November 08, 2002, 05:58:04 PM »

Not surprising. Police seems to be more interested to punish you for violating seat-belt laws than protect you from violence.

At least you did not call him anything that could have been interpreted as a racial - would have likely landed you in jail like that guy who could not keep his mouth shut after his wife got slapped by another fella.

Take care.

miko

mrfish · « **Reply #36 on:** November 08, 2002, 06:00:11 PM »

'cept he was a white guy - well stained, but white.

miko2d · « **Reply #37 on:** November 08, 2002, 06:04:59 PM »

mrfish: 'cept he was a white guy - well stained, but white.

I ment generally 'not PC slur' - like calling him a studmuffin or something. Aren't homeless a protected minority group? Or mentally disabled?

This guy, however dangerous he is, probably does not deserve anger - but care and confinement in his own interests as well as yours. Once he seriously hurts someone, the police will take care of him - and also have reason to ask for budget increase...

miko

Kieran · « **Reply #38 on:** November 08, 2002, 07:14:13 PM »

I'm confused. Used to be when a guy lunged at you it with a knife it was considered assault with a deadly weapon. Now apparently it isn't. Huh. And now I have to be Nostradamus so I can ascertain his "true intent" before I can act.

No wonder people want California to snap loose and sink into the Pacific.

SOB · « **Reply #39 on:** November 08, 2002, 07:42:31 PM »

Why do I agree with Kieran? What the hell is this world coming to, next I'll start thinking Eagler has some good ideas!

The guy's a leech, and a violent leech at that. I'd be willing to risk the miniscule chance of losing the cure to cancer with him. Regardless, this is all Mr. Fish's fault for living in San Francisco. handsomehunk.

SOB

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #40 on:** November 08, 2002, 07:44:48 PM »

Now speaking from this side of the pond, the use of deadly force is the very last option.

Mrfish had options. He used them and he did the right thing. Had he had no options, ie, the voice didnt work or he was in a corner with nowhere to run, then the use of deadly force is justified and the hobo gets it between the eyes. (had he been armed which he was not)

Several things to remember.

1. The only unarmed people who fight people with knives are dead people.

2. Few people are skilled in the use of knives. But the worst knife fighter will kill you just as good.

3. Your hobo sounds like a basket case.
4. Laz wasnt there to protect Mr Fish.

Over here, the hobo would have been placed under arrest and remained in custody till the first available court appearance. A mental health assessment would have been carried out.

1. Because he sounds and acts like a fruitloop.
2. To negate any later defence of insantity.
3. Its the first thing the courts will ask for to be done.

That being said. What do the courts do with him then? Slap him in irons until released to go back to the streets as crazy as ever?

Slap him in the nut house where at the first sign of rational behaviour he is released with medication until he tosses it away and goes back to his nutcase ways.

Dealing with these people is not a simple matter. Society and the justice system are often overwhelmed with them. Particularly in largely populated areas with a justice system already overburdened by like minded individuals.

So how do you prevent the same thing happening again?

Airhead · « **Reply #41 on:** November 08, 2002, 07:51:43 PM »

Kieran, all the "assailant" did was display a weapon, which he then dropped. A "lunge" in one man's eyes might be a "drunken stagger towards" in another man's eyes. Other than that it was a mutual combat situation, and San Francisco doesn't have room for convicted criminals in thier jails, let alone drunk transients who have outstanding warrants for non payment of child support. Mr.fish screwed up because he made eye contact with a derelict- he shoulda kept walking. Don't blame the SFPD for a situation that exists because the City Government does whatever it can do to accomidate homeless derelects within the city limits.

If a city wants to get rid of this element of society all they have to do is quit paying them for being pathetic, stop funneling tax money to homeless shelters, vigerously enforce code violations against soup kitchens and homeless shelters, bust transients for deficating on doorways and shooting dope in public and occasionally beat the living crap out of posers who pretend to be crazier than they really are. Sorry, but I hate derelects and wish them all dead. They are a drain on society and I cannot express my naked hatred for these pathetic pieces of toejam who hold up cardboard signs as they waltz through traffic, pretending to be a vet or whatever and needing of a handout.

Sorry, but people who choose to be the dregs of society deserve no compassion or respect, much less a paycheck and a free meal. As far as I am concerned this element of society chooses to be what they are and should be ignored to revel in thier filth, not given a paycheck.

mr.fish, invest in a can of industrial strength pepper spray like they use for bears and the next time some amazinhunk confronts you spray him in the face and keep on walking. I'm sorry your beautiful city has been defecated upon by this scourge.

Kieran · « **Reply #42 on:** November 08, 2002, 08:01:19 PM »

So if I "lunge" for my .38 it can be construed as a "drunken stagger"?

Sandman · « **Reply #43 on:** November 08, 2002, 08:43:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
Sorry, but I hate derelects and wish them all dead.

Hmmm... that's a bit harsh.

Airhead · « **Reply #44 on:** November 08, 2002, 09:37:44 PM »

A bit harsh? No, I don't think so- I'm more than willing to help those that need it and are trying to better themselves, but the current policy of half a million dollar public toilets, a monthly city-paid stripend, and wall to wall panhandlers and derelects have changed the beauty of San Francisco into a sespool of street crime, drugs and violence that the SFPD is overwhelmed against.

We aren't talking bout a unwed mother with five kids here- we're talking about people who have found a comfort zone by the good graces of San Francisco feel good politics and yes, they have proliferated. I counted 27 derelects on Van Ness Ave. between Lombard and Market Streets recently on an early Sunday morning and really, the only way to get rid of them is to either cut off all the soup kitchens, Methadone treatment centers, free clinics and lax enforcement of vagrancy statutes- or kill them. I'm taking the high ground and advocating cutting off all services paid for with my tax dollars that support these derelects, but really I'm not that far removed from advocating the killing of these pieces of toejam like Mr.fish was confronted with.