Author Topic: Mc205 vs Bf109G10 (Read 901 times)

Gabber88 · « **on:** November 08, 2002, 12:20:27 PM »

For E-Fighting is best 109G10 or Mc205, and Why?

J_A_B · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2002, 01:46:28 PM »

The 109G-10 is definately better overall, assumming an experienced pilot. It has faster speed, much better climbrate and better acceleration--it can gain E faster and store up more Kinetic E thanks to its higher speed. It is also capable of losing E more quickly than the 205. The 109G-10 may well be the best E-fighter in AH.

HOWEVER, the 109 is MUCH tougher to fly effectively than the 205. While the 205 doesn't quite have the sheer performance of the 109G-10, it is MUCH more user-friendly. The 205 has a larger ammo load than the 109 and handles a LOT better at higher speeds. So while the 205 might not be as good as the 109 in the hands of the expert pilot, for the average flier the 205 is easier to use to maximum potential and can thus be more effective than the 109.

Between the two, I'd say pick whichever one you feel more comfortable in. If you decide on the 109, map your elevator trim to something where you have it easily accessible

J_A_B

Hristo · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2002, 01:57:50 PM »

Agreed.

Also, you should compare c.205 to the 109 of the day, and that would be the 109G-6. In this case, not much to chose, 205 is better.

G-10 is a powerful upgrade to an old 109 airframe. It is a mixed plane, excellent in some categories, poor in others.

In a late war arena, you will probably survive longer in G-10. Kills, on the other hand, might seem easier in 205, just watch out for gangbangs.

E fighting makes G-10 clear winner over 205. 205 has only turning and high speed handling as its advantage, 109 has the rest.

HFMudd · « **Reply #3 on:** November 08, 2002, 03:56:10 PM »

It's really not a question that can be well answered. If you compare two planes and ask which is the best E-Fighter then, of the two, the best E-Fighter is going to be the faster of the two. If you also have greater climb and/or diving acceleration, that is a bonus. From this stand point the G-10 is clearly the better E-Fighter over the C.205.

But now make the question a bit more complex. Ask, "If my opponent is flying a Spit V, which is the better E-Fighter, the G-10 or the C.205?" In this comparison I would argue that the C.205 is the better E-Fighter as its improved high speed handling over the G-10 will allow a better chance of landing a kill against the slippery Spit V. On the other hand if we ask, "If my opponent is flying an LA-7, which is the better E-Fighter?" then I would think the answer would be that the G-10 is the only one of the two that is an E-Fighter.

Gabber88 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2002, 04:29:57 PM »

Thanks all!

Fancy · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2002, 04:44:58 PM »

Actually a funny question because neither could stay on the other's six for long. If the 109 was tailing the 205, the 205 could simply make a steep dive and make high-speed maneuvers which the 109 could not follow. In fact, the 205 turns so well at high speeds, he may be able to wheel around to the 109s six IF he waits until he's, say, well over 400. At that speed, the 109 won't be able to turn at all. If vice versa, again a steep or shallow dive and the 109 leaves the 205 in the dust. However this assumes a nearly equal E state at the outset. In the long run, as soon as the 205 runs out of altitude (he's really only got his high-speed maneuvering as a clear advantage), he's fighting a losing battle from which he can not run.

Be that as it may, they're both thoroughly offensive planes and love to take the initiative against enemies. I myself prefer 205s because I love high-speed maneuvering and prefer to keep my speeds up as speed is both offensive and defensive. However, if you want to stay fast (and you do with both these planes), you need to pick your fights carefully. If the bandit is trying to lure you into a turn fight, you really have to give up an off-angle gun attack to regain E.

gatt · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2002, 09:42:12 AM »

The 205 is better when Hristo is not driving the 109G-10

Gabber88 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2002, 10:48:14 AM »

I'm decided i prefer the G10

gatt · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2002, 12:59:35 PM »

Well, jokes apart

, the 109G-10 has to use his incredible horizontal speed and climb performance and make some high speed runs. Above all the 109G pilot should be very careful when maneuvering. I always watch at the 109G-10 moves. If he stays fast and maneuvers in the vertical, then I have to put my C.205 nose down and dive away at great speed. He cannot follow me due to bad compression. If he dives away and doesnt pull up soon I know I can catch him or watch him auger. If hes fast and runs away in the horizontal or vertical I usually cannot follow him. If he maneuvers too much hes dead. The 109G-10 pilot, confident of his 2,000hp, usually underestimates the 205 E-state, even when the 205 is well flown (i.e when you keep your Macchi fast): a 350-400mph C.205 at 18K is *very* dangerous. This is my experience, YMMV.

Urchin · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2002, 05:16:26 PM »

I'm not sure I'd give the 205 very good odds vs the 109G-10.

Soda · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2002, 05:33:00 PM »

You know the C205 and 109G10 are almost polar opposites. The C205 is a good turner, with excellent high speed handling. The 109 is an aweful turner with terrible high speed handling. They both climb very well. The C205 isn't really fast, but the G10 sure is.

The winner likely comes down to who held the merge advantage and who is smart enough to stay true to his aircraft the longest. If the 109 goes stupid and tries to follow high speed dives or turning fights he'll lose, maybe without the C205 firing a shot. If the 109 stays true to high speed without overspeeding/compressing, then it should be able to maintain control of the fight, or decide to disengage without the C205 being able to stop it.

-Soda
The Assassins.

Urchin · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2002, 05:50:52 PM »

I'm not sure the 205 out turns the 109G-10 by that wide a margin, to be honest. You are dead on about the high speed handling though. Acceleration, climb, and top speed I'd say the G-10 has over the 205. Turning I'm not real sure about, I'm not all that familiar with the 205.

Soda · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2002, 06:39:50 PM »

The C205 is a surprising good turner at almost all speeds (except really slow). It is better than average, though not quite in the realm of the real turn-fighters. Still, the G10 can't be considered a turner at all, it's more a slasher. If you run it right on the edge you can get a decent turn rate out of it, but loaded with fuel, ammo, and gondolas, it's a dumptruck. If we were talking G2, then it would maybe be a whole lot closer, but most G10's are so overloaded that they can barely turn at all. The roll rate in the C205 is also very good.

The actual climb-rate difference is suprisingly little at low-mid alts. The C205 is over 4K/minute at low alts and doesn't really start to lose out until over 15K or so. It's actually in the top 5 or so climbers down low.... most people don't realize that though.

The G10 is gonna blow the doors off the C205 in top speed though at all altitudes, and it should be better in acceleration because it can accelerate to much higher speeds.

It's really a matter of advantage at start. If the C205 can force a turn-fight and slow the G10 down then the G10 is in trouble. If the G10 can force a high speed vertical fight (with an initial advantage), then the best the C205 should be able to hope for is a brief HO shot. Depends on how pure the pilots stay though, most of the time people just fly like they have some sort of generic aircraft that's mediocre at everything.

-Soda
The Assassins.

Fishu · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2002, 06:45:57 PM »

Gatt,

Diving just means the 109 got the upperhand and now he just has to prevent the 205 from getting back to altitude.
Altitude eventually runs out, if the plane doesn't get shot down first.

Too bad the 109 is undermodelled in AH and all the alllies who knows nothing of 109, other than it's "general reputation", disagrees with it.

Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2002, 07:53:47 PM »

Wow, I didn't know the 205 climbed that well.

Can the 205 out turn a P-51? I'm using that as a baseline since I think the P-51 turns pretty well actually (well, at like 50% fuel and with some flaps it does). I know the G-10 can't hang with the P-51 at lower speeds, but it does ok at higher speeds.

I guess I might have to try out the 205 some, haven't really flown it. I've flown the 202 before, I like that plane.