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Offline Kanth

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« on: November 09, 2002, 01:21:51 PM »
I've been thinking of homicide lately and I did a little search here's what i saw.

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Annual rate of suicides and homicides per 100,000 people for

selected countries. Most African countries and many Asian countries did not submit data.

Country SuicidesHomicides

Argentina 8.7      4.7

Australia 17.9      1.6

Azerbaijan 1.1      5.0

Bahamas n/a      14.9

Belarus 41.5     10.5

Brazil 6.3     23.0

Britain 9.2      0.8

Canada 15.0      1.4

China 18.3      1.8

Colombia 4.5     61.6

Cuba 23.0      6.2

El Salvador 11.2     55.6

Estonia 37.9     14.8

Finland 28.4      2.2

France 20.0      0.7

Germany 14.3      0.9

Hungary 36.1      2.6

Israel 8.7      0.5

Japan 19.5      0.6

Kazakhstan 37.4     17.1

Kuwait 2.0      2.2

Latvia 36.5     11.6

Lithuania 51.6      7.5

Mexico 5.1     15.9

Philippines 2.1     14.2

Russia 43.1     21.6

Singapore 15.7      1.3

Slovenia 33.0      1.3

South Korea 17.1      2.0

Spain 8.7      0.8

Sweden 15.9      1.2

Switzerland 22.5      1.1

Thailand 5.6      7.5

Ukraine 33.8     11.7

United States 13.9      6.9

Venezuela 8.1     16.0




got that from

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2060533,00.html

Now here's my question.

Why is it that some countries have a higher suicide rate and lower homicide rate.

Australia, Britian, Canada, US.


 and yet other countries have a higher homicide rate and lesser suicide rate?

brazil, colombia, el salvador, mexico

Is it the culture?
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Offline Leslie

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2002, 04:30:26 PM »
Just guessing here, but it makes sense to me that suicide rates would be higher in countries where life expectancy is longer, such as in developed nations, where the struggle to survive is not top priority.

Colombia and Venezuela's homicide rate is easy to understand because of the drug trafficing there.  Probably the same goes for El Salvador and Mexico.

Places like Cuba and China have very strict control of the population, and homicides there are low because of the punishments meted out.  Though not Communist, Japan also deals harshly with homicide and crime in general.  My guess is Japan is a homogeneous population with a common culture, i.e. everyone pretty much agrees to abide by the social mores in a spirit of cooperation for the common good.  A contrasting situation can be found in the Balkans...Yugoslavia, Serbia and Croatia.

Culture is made up of social mores -- what is considered acceptable and what is not.  People are not the same everywhere, and it would be a mistake to assume we all think alike.

Yes Kanth, differing cultures is the explanation for just about everything that happens in our world by way of the human condition...some good comes of it, but some bad also. When lesser cultures are introduced into higher civilizations, transculturization may occur.  Transculturization is a scientific term meaning the tendency for a more advanced culture to become more like, or assume the characteristics of a less advanced one when conjoined, rather than the other way around.  The term is associated with the decline of the Roman Empire, as it expanded to include Barbaric tribes in Europe.  Rather than improve the culture and overall well being of the Barbarians, as was thought it would do at the time...the Romans assimilated the ways of the Barbarians to gain their trust and cooperation.  At that point, Roman culture significantly changed from what it was before, though the Barbarians must have gained some benefit from the cultural meeting.

Sorry for the long winded post, but the question can only be considered taking culture into account.  The Western nations of the U.S., Britain, Canada and Australia have cultures based primarily on the early Greek and Roman models, meaning we have more in common than with, say, India, Tibet and China, whose cultures are based on the "Asian Dynastic model" (my term, don't know what the actual term is.)

Suicide is the result of conditions of despair and hopelessness, and probably has little to do with local culture.  Afaik, there is no culture or society that does not condemn it as cowardly and selfish, or at best, an act of desperation, ill conceived and inexcusable, the only exception possibly being to end a terminal circumstance.

Homicide is the result of complete disregard for human life, and may have some basis in cultural influence.  Violent, bellicose societies most likely do embrace homicide as a means to settle wrongs, perceived or otherwise.  So here, culture definitely makes its mark in a negative way.  An example of this culture can be found in the cocaine laced fantasy world of Hollywood, where drug inspired movie directors let the bullets fly and blood spills, all for our "entertainment."


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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2002, 04:50:29 PM »
Those other countries dont have the spousal and child support laws that the west does.

Offline whgates3

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2002, 06:50:32 PM »
suicide statisic in countries with significant catholic populations are always way off

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2002, 08:07:58 PM »
More people here in the US would commit suidide, but they get murdered before they get the chance.

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2002, 09:41:39 PM »
The only thing I got out of that chart is confirmation of what I always suspected; it sucks to be French. Or Canadian. Or French Canadian.

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2002, 01:12:09 AM »
Leslie,

I appreciate your taking the time for that post...I'm still thinking about this issue..

things come to mind like

wow US isn't as bad as all the foreigners say it is..

why is spain not in line with colombia, brazil, mexico, venezuela?

are all azerbaijanis as indecisive as these numbers would have me believe?

can this chart help predict how a war would go with combatants with equal armies?

say lithuania is attacked by colombia...
are they more easily occupied?

Azerbaijan--something is working for them, I gotta look them up and find out who they are. Maybe it's just because they have a population of 99,000 or something..
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2002, 03:03:23 PM »
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why is spain not in line with colombia, brazil, mexico, venezuela?


:eek:


I guess mostly bad aiming, like in all those A-Team episodes... after we spend all our ammo without hitting anyone,  a few cars harmlessly flip over and we punch our noses a little, and then we hit on the girls and have some siesta... It happens everyday

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2002, 03:25:35 PM »
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