Author Topic: Firepower in Sabre's Burma set up. (Read 1782 times)

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #30 on:** November 13, 2002, 11:34:58 AM »

ergRTC nice stats where can I find them?

Can you go back and theck the stats on kill/death ratio now?

I see wayyyyy more P-40s landing kills than A6M2s.
The P-40s deaths come from furballing and more than non furballing with many trailers inbound pretty much preventing the zeros from RTBing and landing any of those kills. .....u know, mini-MA

Also I see way too many Hurrican/P-40 mixtures. Certainly this ends up being a mini-MA...but coincides with the name "Combat Arena" not "Historical Arena" It is little bitter sweet. The HUrrican complaments the P-40 and allows the P-40 to turn fight a bit more than without the Hurrican. I see less running when Hurricans company P-40s.

As much as I yack about "runners" I do the same thing when I have to and when I can!!!!!

ergRTC · « **Reply #31 on:** November 13, 2002, 12:10:32 PM »

Those numbers come from the kill stats page under scores. Not sure about the ratio. Will have to see if you can do that.

erg

ergRTC · « **Reply #32 on:** November 13, 2002, 12:15:17 PM »

well on the "historical" (lazer) side, the a6m2 should not even be here. So complaining about a hurri that cant turn with it anyway seems reaching. Hurricane (as the stats show) is a suicide flight at best unless your a really good and lucky pilot.

As of this time I am 1:1 in the CT.

brady · « **Reply #33 on:** November 14, 2002, 12:41:12 AM »

I am suprised to see the Huricane doing as porely as it is, my gues is that people are taking to much fuel and not turn fighting with flaps aganst the Zero, bearing that in mind when I fly it aganst the Zero it seams to do quiet well.

Sixpence · « **Reply #34 on:** November 14, 2002, 01:58:45 AM »

I'de have to agree that the allied MG have the advantage.The amount of zero 20mm a biggie, plus in furballs zero takes much less damage to bring down. If there was another plane during that time that would help the axis, bring it aboard. Someone mention this maybe? With this planeset, how did the japanese walk through burma(or anywhere where there were hurcs and spits)? Gimme hurcs and spits over zeros any day.

ergRTC · « **Reply #35 on:** November 14, 2002, 07:08:32 AM »

When they were walking through it was before the p40s showed up right? They were fighting a land war mostly, backed up with tactical bombers weaker than the nate. I think.

Sabre · « **Reply #36 on:** November 14, 2002, 07:59:38 AM »

Remember that the Chines air force was a small, poorly trained, poorly equiped, and poorly led organization before the AVG showed up. The courage of the individual Chines pilot was not the problem...they were just waaaay outclassed by the Japanese. Even after the AVG showed up, it was only three (often understrength) squadrons trying to protect an appreciable portion of the Earth's landmass. One of those squadrons was their training squadron; as such it was place out of the main threat axis, to allow it's pilots time to acclaimate to combat in a somewhat less frantic pace. So only two of those three squadrons were bearing the brunt of that responsibility. Much of the AVG's success was due to the early warning system of spotters put into place, allowing the AVG to make the most of their modest numbers.

Indeed, Japan was a victim of their own early success in China. From it, they drew all the wrong conclusions when designing the fighters that would face the Allies in the wider war to follow. Manueverability and range were emphasised at the expense of durrability, speed, and firepower, with the now-historically evident results.

Sabre
CT Staff

brady · « **Reply #37 on:** November 14, 2002, 03:37:16 PM »

As sabre points out Japanese planes suffered from this design philosphy untill the end of the war when they finaly started making their planes more robust, the N1K- and Ki 84 are examples of the change in design, they were still very manuaverable but sported better firepower and tougher airframes incourperating armor, fire sys, and self sealing tanks.

Sabre · « **Reply #38 on:** November 14, 2002, 04:04:52 PM »

And cup holders; don't forget the cup holders...little ones...for those tiny sake cups.

Sabre
CT Staff

brady · « **Reply #39 on:** November 14, 2002, 04:43:28 PM »

DOH, how could I, did i tell ya sabre I got this great book from Japan on the Ki 84, it shows quiet clearly the cooling system and bottle holder for the saki, placed so the piolet could easly reach it, and designed like a heat pump to keep it chilled at the perfect tempature.

J_A_B · « **Reply #40 on:** November 14, 2002, 05:07:09 PM »

The Zero, at least, was not designed so much for maneuverability as it was to reach a certain level of performance using a somewhat under-powered engine. The maneuverability was a by-product of a pressing need to save weight (and in fact by Japanese standards of the time the Zeke actually lacked maneuverability).

J_A_B

CurtissP-6EHawk · « **Reply #41 on:** November 14, 2002, 05:10:50 PM »

......here lately the Hurrican will outfly the Zero if flown correctly. The Hurrican will out turn a Zero in a heartbeat. That is not right PERIOD! It seems that the allies are so use to B&Z that they forget the Hurrican is porked. Slow it down, use flaps and it will out fight a Zero. 2 vs 1 I have absolutely no time to even think about getting on someones six and damn lucky to RTB with my tail between my legs! (unless they both are rookies)

To top it all off, the zero flys like crap at slow speeds. Its slugish and will stall and snap roll into the ground in a split sec. practicaly without warning. I have stalled, crashed, been shot down more and gotten them into flat spins more in two months than I did in four years in WBs. Actually I NEVER got one into any type of flat spin in WBs. Very seldon did I EVER spin one into the ground in WBs. So which model is porked, WBs or HA? or both? or me? Pull the power off and the zero drops at 3 to 4,000 fpm...thats total BS!! When you run outta gas, you drop practicaly straight down. Also the damn thing lands worse than a Spit in the three point attitude. Do a wheel landing at 105 mph and it lands like a freaken F4U! (Hot and Fast), anything slower and you better watch the flare and the edges of the runway!

If you die in a P-40 you just got plum STUPID.
If you die in a Hurrican, your out numbered or not flying it right.
If you survive in a Zero, your a DAMN GOOD PILOT...or get a lucky extend from a Hurrican!!!..cause its too damn slow to run home.

It doesnt matter if the A6M2 does or doesnt belong in the set-up. YOU WILL NEVER SEE A SET-UP WERE THE AXIS HAVE A BETTER ALL AROUND PLANE THAN THE ALLIES.....PERIOD!

Forget the scores, they are BS...lets face it, The CT is a MINI-MA. Damn near tempted to join Shane's MINI-MA Squadron if he would let me...

Anything can shoot down anything if the furball is big enough with a continuos flow of traffic to and from the furball!

Oldman731 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 15, 2002, 11:04:14 AM »

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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
......here lately the Hurrican will outfly the Zero if flown correctly. The Hurrican will out turn a Zero in a heartbeat.

The trick in this situation, for the Zero pilot, seems to be to just keep going up a bit during the turn fight. The hurri can out turn the zeke, but it can't out turn it at the same time as it climbs.

- oldman (who finds that the Zeke has been so uber that this is the first setup he would call "unbalanced")

ergRTC · « **Reply #43 on:** November 15, 2002, 12:03:38 PM »

I wouldnt say unbalanced, but if have noticed some zero pilots complaining about instability at low speed. This leads me to believe it is the zeke pilot and not hurricane. You can fly that zeke like a go cart without ever losing it. Just gotta use your rudder to keep the nose pointing where you want it.

brady · « **Reply #44 on:** November 15, 2002, 03:40:11 PM »

Ya that climbing turn got me the other day aganst Eskimo, I was in a huricane, baged a zero and looked back to see one boring in broke hard and started fighting, I choped power till the flaps came out jamed it forward and started a good turn fight, got hitss on him but he baged me with that manuaver, I remember looking up behind me suprised to see him climbing during the turns untill he had the advantage, was a slick move, I will never forget it:)

The funny thing is I see P40's down low and trying to turn fight Zero's all the time, and I always ask my self, wtf are they thinking?