Author Topic: Tis a sad day :( (Read 1017 times)

Sachs · « **on:** November 12, 2001, 12:57:00 AM »

When the Ta-152 has as many kills as the 202, ju88 and the C47 so far this tour. How about lowering the value a little more? Say within Chog level?

C-47A 169 2064 0.0818
C.202 163 371 0.4382
Ju 88 175 662 0.2640
Ta 152H 172 57 2.9655

Seems the 262 is the only widely used perk ride.

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2001, 01:39:00 AM »

The propblem with the Ta152H-1 and Tempest is that they aren't significantly better than the free rides. An La-7 is nigh as fast as a Tempest. Even the Fw190D-9, Typhoon and P-51 are really close.

Why spend that many points for an aircraft that is only marginally better?

The Ar234B is very difficult to have any effect with due to its small payload. Furthermore it isn't terribly fast while it is carrying bombs, the vast majority of m 234 sorties have ended with me dropping my bombs in the middle of nowhere and running from a piston fighter.

The Me262 has such a great advantage in performance that it is worth spending the points to fly it.

I don't think that the number of points are the issue once a certain number has been reached, rather it is the capabilities of the aircraft. A 1000 perk point Me262 is still a better deal than a 70 point Tempest. People aren't willing to pay more than a token price for aircraft that only seem to have a slight edge in capability.

funkedup · « **Reply #2 on:** November 12, 2001, 01:53:00 AM »

Seems OK to me. Pretty sure the 202 and Ju 88 had many times more victories in WWII than the 152.

Jochen · « **Reply #3 on:** November 12, 2001, 02:44:00 AM »

Heh, nice one funked!

funkedup · « **Reply #4 on:** November 12, 2001, 02:56:00 AM »

Perk the C-47!

Urchin · « **Reply #5 on:** November 12, 2001, 07:27:00 AM »

HTC already said they'd lower the perk cost of the TA-152 until it started seeing some use. Whats it down to now? 30 points? Nope, still to much to pay for a mediocre aircraft, sorry. As it is the C-hog is probably the best perk for the money. And you that say the 262 is, go get shot by a C-Hog. You'll change your mind.

HTC won't lower the price of the TA-152 because it is "to good" of a plane for the MA (I suppose by some sort of crackhead logic that may even make sense). I guess if the price was lowered the average altitude of the fights in the MA might go up from 1,500 feet to 1,502 feet or something, which just doesn't fit in with the "Vision" <TM>.

Kieran · « **Reply #6 on:** November 12, 2001, 08:10:00 AM »

Whoa! Vision(tm) is a fanboy trademark of WWIIO. You are in violation of the EULA if you disseminate trademarked intellectual property in the improper forum applied to the incorrect software. I turn you over to AKNimitz and his tender mercies.

With regards to perking the Ta-152, get over it. Big guns, big speed, and altitude has nothing to do with it. If you think making the thing cheaper will do anything but make it harder to fly the early war stuff, you are mistaken. Your argument about it having fewer kills than the 202 holds no water, either. It shouldn't. It is a perk ride, and the fact it isn't overrunning the arena is exactly the desired effect.

To tell you honestly, I don't much worry about any plane in a furball except the BnZ's like the Tempest and Fw's. They have the punch to kill in one pass and the speed to pull through the furball with impunity. Load the arena up with 262's, Tempests, and Ta's and see what variety of planes you have left.

lazs1 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 12, 2001, 09:16:00 AM »

Our 152 get's a lot more use than the real one did. i say get rid of entirely or make it cost more. All it can do is run away if it misses the sneak up so... I gotta ask, who would fly such a thing and do we need more such players?
lazs

hazed- · « **Reply #8 on:** November 12, 2001, 10:31:00 AM »

laz.....you are an idiot, Im sorry i tried to think of a less insulting word for you but it keeps springing into my mind everytime I see your attacks of people who dont want to furball for 24hrs a day.
So the aircraft is suited to fast Bnz? so what?
so is the P51d ,F4uc,190a8,190d9,p38,p47,me262,Typhoon, Tempest ETC ETC. you want all of these removed? half of these are the top flown planes!
what ever late plane we remove there will ALWAYS be a plane suited to ,how do you put it, "sneak up" (idiot) open your eyes and check behind you! you dont you get killed.
why have these planes? because customers, with a few exceptions like yourself, want to see and fly them.
You keep telling us closer bases with more furballing and no stopping spawning by destroying just FH's will be the best way to play so why dont you ask for an arena for it?
Ill tell you why, its because you like everyone else in here knows that whatever other arena we see up people will still log on, see 99% of people in the MA and go straight there.
It doesnt matter how much we 'want' to fly historical or just duel or even practice in the TA, it still boils down to how many are already in a room! therefore they stay empty except for those who try their best to support a room and thats not many.You would sit in your furball arena with if you are lucky 15-20 other pilots (on a GOOD night) furballing away happy for a while and gradually the numbers would fall.Without the support from people, like CMs, it cannot take off.
Stop attacking a choice of ride or worse still the players who fly them!
"do we need such players?", you really are a total and utter.....

well you fill it in, I think you all know what i mean.

GunnerCAF · « **Reply #9 on:** November 12, 2001, 10:54:00 AM »

This tour is not a good one to look at. With many people having problems blowing up on the runway, may proximity kills are being recorded. I would bet the C47 kills are coming from this.

Gunner <CAF>

Fariz · « **Reply #10 on:** November 12, 2001, 11:24:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak:
The Ar234B is very difficult to have any effect with due to its small payload. Furthermore it isn't terribly fast while it is carrying bombs, the vast majority of m 234 sorties have ended with me dropping my bombs in the middle of nowhere and running from a piston fighter.

The Me262 has such a great advantage in performance that it is worth spending the points to fly it.

234 was very useful as a tactical buff till 1.08. More than once 2-3 arado could turn tide away from the bishland by hitting fuel at the frontline fields. I really miss those strikes, they were fun.

If you spent time to get arado to 20k you would not need to ditch eggs.

me262 is waste of perks, but its fun to fly. Still hogc is still only perk plane which costs its perks.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #11 on:** November 12, 2001, 11:48:00 AM »

152 has as many kills as the 202 you say?

Solution isn't to lower the 152's price- the solution is to place a higher price on all currently perked aircraft and perked all the late '43/early '44 onward aircraft.

This will make people fly the 202 and get kills more representative of the work it did in WWII.
-SW

Sachs · « **Reply #12 on:** November 12, 2001, 04:18:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup:
Seems OK to me. Pretty sure the 202 and Ju 88 had many times more victories in WWII than the 152.

Is this a WW2 sim? Just curious, but if the plane is in here I don't care what usage or how much combat it saw. If it is in here then it nees to be reflected on current usage. Some planes such as the tempest do have a severe advantage downlow some have it high. How many fights do you see at 25-30k? Where the 152 will shine lol, it doesn't btw. down low anything short of a zero can catch it on the deck. I am not asking to unperk it, all I asked was for a reduction in price to Chog level, how is that so hard to get through everyone's thick noggen? Oh thats right this is the Chog lovin croud, how many were made? Just a handful more then the 152 interesting that shoots that validity point out the window. I know when I fly the 152 I earn every kill I get in it, and a lot of the time I am running like hell after I am spotted. And if I am at 10k or lower I will not get away. Take whatevr you want from this all I was asking for was a reduction in price.

Sachs · « **Reply #13 on:** November 12, 2001, 04:20:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Fariz:

234 was very useful as a tactical buff till 1.08. More than once 2-3 arado could turn tide away from the bishland by hitting fuel at the frontline fields. I really miss those strikes, they were fun.

If you spent time to get arado to 20k you would not need to ditch eggs.

me262 is waste of perks, but its fun to fly. Still hogc is still only perk plane which costs its perks.

Totally agree with you on this one. Arado is called out before it gets to base swarm of 262's come up and chase ya down easily. Another one of the justified prices that needs to be looked at.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #14 on:** November 12, 2001, 04:27:00 PM »

So.. how many kills SHOULD the 152 have?

I do agree its perk cost should be lowered (to around 15), but you need to give an acceptable number for kills here. How many kills should the 152 be getting each tour?

AKDejaVu