Author Topic: Choices for next Setup: Input please (Read 1218 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** November 12, 2002, 10:55:33 PM »

Buzzbait just make it Hellcats, IIRC that would be most representative of what was on fleet carriers at the time.

Widewing · « **Reply #31 on:** November 13, 2002, 12:23:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Buzzbait
Salute

Just to clarify:

This is not Leyte Gulf.

It is intended to represent one of the softening up missions which Halsey did during and immediately subsequent to the invasion of Saipan.

Not the great Marianas Turkey shoot, but after that.

AFAIK, there were no land based aircraft, with the exception of multi engined bombers, which could reach the Phillipines.

The 49th FG flew several escort missions from Biak to Mindanao in September of 1944. They were flying P-38L fighters. Borneo was also a target of the 49th.

My regards,

Widewing

Buzzbait · « **Reply #32 on:** November 13, 2002, 01:14:43 AM »

Salute Widewing

As usual, you are an excellent source of impeccably researched information. Thankyou.

However, with all due respect, I am not going to include the P-38L for two reasons.

1) There are no land bases far enough away on the Mindanao map to accurately simulate the distance which historically was required to fly a P-38L into combat.

2) The P-38L is TOO DAMN GOOD...

Thanks again Buzzbait

Karnak · « **Reply #33 on:** November 13, 2002, 02:33:31 AM »

I agree with GRUNHERZ.

Giving the USN both the FM2 and F6F-5 gives the USN the one-two punch against the IJN/IJA. The FM2 can nearly turn with the A6M5b and will out turn the Ki.61-I-KAIc. The F6F-5 is faster than either, and is only threatened at high speed by a diving Ki.61-I-KAIc as the A6M5b can't follow the USN fighters in manuvers at speeds above 300mph.

The F6F-5s will force the Japanese to dodge, the the FM2s will keep them slow while the F6F-5s finish them.

It'd be like giving the US the F6F-5 and the Japanese the A6M5b and the Ki.84-Ia (if we had it). The F6F-5s would get slaughtered because they couldn't run or climb with the Ki.84s and the A6M5s would keep them from living by turn fighting. The whines, justifiably, would be deafening.

Don't predetermine the victor by handing one side an unbeatable (realistically) fighter combination.

ergRTC · « **Reply #34 on:** November 13, 2002, 10:19:09 AM »

awww.

I am fine with allied having only the f6f.

Widewing · « **Reply #35 on:** November 14, 2002, 12:02:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Buzzbait
Salute Widewing

As usual, you are an excellent source of impeccably researched information. Thankyou.

However, with all due respect, I am not going to include the P-38L for two reasons.

1) There are no land bases far enough away on the Mindanao map to accurately simulate the distance which historically was required to fly a P-38L into combat.

2) The P-38L is TOO DAMN GOOD...

Thanks again Buzzbait

I can see other problems if the scenario is pre-November. To get to targets in the PI from Biak, the 49th used 310 gallon drop tanks, not modeled in AH. Moreover, they were instructed not to drop the tanks unless absolutely required. This was due to these huge tanks having a tendency to tumble into the booms when released at speeds in excess of 150 mph. This was thought to be caused by the anti-sway braces bending under the stress of aerodynamic loading on the tank. There was also a shortage of the 310 gallon tanks, so bringing them home was a priority.

My regards,

Widewing

eskimo2 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 14, 2002, 04:51:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
I agree with GRUNHERZ.

Giving the USN both the FM2 and F6F-5 gives the USN the one-two punch against the IJN/IJA. The FM2 can nearly turn with the A6M5b and will out turn the Ki.61-I-KAIc. The F6F-5 is faster than either, and is only threatened at high speed by a diving Ki.61-I-KAIc as the A6M5b can't follow the USN fighters in manuvers at speeds above 300mph.

The F6F-5s will force the Japanese to dodge, the the FM2s will keep them slow while the F6F-5s finish them.

It'd be like giving the US the F6F-5 and the Japanese the A6M5b and the Ki.84-Ia (if we had it). The F6F-5s would get slaughtered because they couldn't run or climb with the Ki.84s and the A6M5s would keep them from living by turn fighting. The whines, justifiably, would be deafening.

Don't predetermine the victor by handing one side an unbeatable (realistically) fighter combination.

We're talking about giving the Allies 1 FM-2 CV, out of 4 or 6.

With only 1 fighter type per CV, the Allies would have to bring a pair of CVs together for this to happen. The mix of fighters would likely happen, but not all the time, and not everywhere at once.

eskimo

Löwe · « **Reply #37 on:** November 14, 2002, 05:29:24 PM »

I got an idea.........................
Give the Japs a damn break and just have the F6F for a change.
If you guys havent noticed there are very few Japanese to chase on these setups. Theres even less now with 27th Sentai splintering.

HiJack · « **Reply #38 on:** November 15, 2002, 05:37:27 AM »

Just the Hellcat and one good bomber, well matbe everyother plane in the allied arsensl too, what the hell, just fly what they give ya and do the best you can, but the Hellcat and a good bomber will do.