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Offline Duedel

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« on: November 11, 2002, 06:09:29 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2002, 01:00:51 PM »
Since your URL gets abbreviated when displayed, forcing us to read the link off the status line and then type in the missing characters, why not just edit the image to bring it down under the size limit and show the image?

BTW, the Me 323 Gigant, the powered version of the Me 321 glider transport, was a slow, fragile, vulnerable target in any airspace where the Luftwaffe did not have absolute control of the airspace. Imagine trying to get a neon-pink tissue-paper C-47 in to a drop zone with a dozen FW-190s overhead, and you'll get an idea of what your chances are...

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2002, 02:47:37 PM »
Thats one Gigantic err picture.

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2002, 03:02:13 PM »
they didn't actually build and fly that monstrosity did they :eek: :eek: :eek:

The pilot would have to have cajones the size of freaking grapefruit.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2002, 03:08:49 PM »
Modas, they built 198 of them to be exact.

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2002, 05:29:50 PM »
I was thinking about this the other day and this plane came into mind as a cool armored vehicle transport for AH.  (There was some Arado too that I was thinking about but have forgotten the number.)  Imagine landing behind enemy lines and deploying a Panzer well away from any known vehicle spawn.  Sure it sounds uber, but the fragility of the plane would offset the uberness.

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2002, 06:01:23 PM »
Cool. 1 plane and the HQ is resupplied. Bring em on :D
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2002, 08:45:41 PM »
What were the Germans trying to compensate for with such huge aircraft?

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2002, 03:26:47 AM »
GVs unable to fly ?

Dunno if it could carry an Ostie ;)

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2002, 04:25:57 AM »
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Dunno if it could carry an Ostie ;)


Lol, when you get in trouble, just open the loading-doors and go for the head on :D

:eek: :eek:

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2002, 05:51:40 AM »
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What were the Germans trying to compensate for with such huge aircraft?



ROTFL :D  err ... what do u mean, that all germans have a small ahm ... heini? Uhm ... DOH!

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2002, 10:02:35 AM »
It had some defensive armament, didn't it - a few Mg's?  And who can tell us what the guy in the wing is doing?  Is that the "inflight restroom facilities"? :)
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2002, 10:27:55 AM »
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Lol, when you get in trouble, just open the loading-doors and go for the head on :D

:eek: :eek:


or it fills up like a water balloon.

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2002, 11:43:47 AM »
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Dunno if it could carry an Ostie ;)


The payload of the Me 323 was 10,000kg, less than half the mass of a PzKpfw IV or Ostwind (ca. 25,000kg). On the other hand, it's 100-troop capacity would allow a field capture to be conducted against opposition and still be successful... The Me 321, the original glider version of the plane, did have the load capacity to carry a PzKpfw IV or Ostwind, but then HTC would also have to model the He 111Z twin Heinkel tow plane to get it off the ground.

"Early in 1941, the decision had been taken to produce a motorized variant of the Me 321. It was now realised that a serious heavy-lift requirement would exist outside the specialized assault role, and that a huge glider that needed specialised towing aircraft, rocket packs and other equipment was simply not the answer. After much study, it was decided to fit six French Gnome-Rhone GR14N engines. These were in production and readily available, and could easily be bolted on the wing, which consequently needed to be strengthened. A cabin for a flight engineer was added in each wing between the inboard and centre engines, although the pilot could override each engineer’s decision on engine and propeller control. A brand-new permanent landing gear was bolted on to the side of each fuselage, and gave the resulting Me 323 superb rough-field performance. Compared to the Me 321, the Me 323 had a much-reduced payload of between 10 - 12 tonnes, which was the price that had to be paid for an aircraft that could operate autonomously. Even with the engines, RATO packs (four under each wing, for a total of eight -- imagine the cloud of parachuting RATO packs from a bunch of these taking off) were still frequently used. Just under 200 Me 323's were built before production ceased in April 1944. There were several production versions, beginning with the D-1. Later D- and E- versions differed in the choice of power plant and in defensive armament, with improvements in structural strength, total cargo load and fuel capacity also being implemented. Nonetheless, the Me 323 remained significantly underpowered. There was a proposal to install six BMW 801 radials, but this never came to pass. The Me 323 was also a short-range aircraft, with a typical range (loaded) of 1,000 - 1,200 Km. Despite this, the limited numbers of Me 323's in service were an invaluable asset to the Germans, and saw intensive use. The Me 323 was something of a 'sitting duck', being so slow and large an aircraft. In the final weeks of the North African campaign in April/May 1943, 43 Gigants were lost, along with much greater numbers of Ju 52's. In terms of aircraft design, the Me 323 was actually very resilient, and could absorb a huge amount of enemy fire - the Afrika Korps' nickname of Leukoplastbomber (Elastoplast Bomber) was somewhat unfair. However, no transport aircraft can ever be expected to survive without air superiority or at least, comprehensive local air cover, and it is believed that no Me 323's survived in service beyond the summer of 1944."

In 1943, an entire convoy of Me 323s -- sixteen aircraft --  carrying fuel to support Rommel's Afrika Korps were shot down by a combined force of Spitfires and South African P-40s, despite German escort. This was the last major effort in the attempt to re-supply Rommel in Tunisia.

In wierdness related to the Gigant, there is a story from the Afrika campaign of a 323 that was successfully looped by its flight crew. I would hope that it was done empty; the interior would get very ugly if not...

The armament of the D-series was an amazing collection of rifle-caliber machine guns -- two 7.9-mm MG 17 in upper fuselage, two  MG 17 in lower fuselage, four MG 17 in forward dorsal positions, two MG 17 in rear dorsal installation, six MG 17 in lateral positions, and two MG 17 in ventral installation -- although these positions would normally actually have guns and crews when carrying troops. The E-series were more heavily armed, with a turret on the top of each wing containing an MK 151/20 cannon, and seven 13mm MK 151/13 machine guns in various locations around the fuselage. The Luftwaffe also experimented with a heavily armed "escort" version, carrying eleven 20mm cannon and four 13mm machineguns.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2002, 12:18:43 PM »
well, I'd like to have em in AH, just load a tank onto it, fly to a target and land a few miles from it, unload tank and you dont have to drive hours before reaching a field :cool: