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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2002, 02:15:00 PM »
dunno gofaster... it doesn't look like this post proves anything.  The guy is not a member of a church acting on behalf of it.  He's a cook and that's pretty much what the article is trying to get across.

I think the post here and in the religion thread were incredibly out of place and made zero sense.  They proved nothing other than your complete lack of understanding for virtually anything.

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2002, 02:15:03 PM »
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As for religion-bashing, I haven't seen anybody come to my door trying to tell me to give up religion, but I have been called upon by several different Christian organizations to adopt religion; not just Jehovah's Witnesses, but Baptists and Presbyterians as well.


Only because they have pockets to fill....whats your excuse? ;)

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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2002, 02:20:21 PM »
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Man...I SOOO missunderstood the topic of this post.

Oh well...
*sigh*


You were thinking something like this? :cool:

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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2002, 02:25:07 PM »
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I think the post here and in the religion thread were incredibly out of place and made zero sense.  


This is the O Club, right?  For all things non-Aces High?

I think I understand the intent of my post well enough.

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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2002, 02:33:55 PM »
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You're reading this board, aren't you? Do you really want to see examples of people coming into your house and telling you how bad religion is? How about... your post?


I never said religion was bad.  I said religion can be distorted, and has been, on numerous occassions.

Branch Davidian comes to mind right off.

As for Ireland, their troubles go farther back than the 1920s (the popular 'start' of "the Troubles") with the whole Protestant/Catholic feud, but for the most part it was a political move by the King of England to counter the Catholic influence of their arch-enemy (Spain) in Ireland.  Yet another example of religion being used to further political goals.  I'm sure our European members could fill in the particulars on that issue so I won't try to get into it here.

But what we should be discussing isn't the merits of religion, but how to recognize when its being manipulated to suit a particular political goal within the context of Osama bin Laden and his crusade against America.  My posting regarding Kony was to establish a framework.

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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2002, 02:36:06 PM »
Oh we won't invade anyplace like that unless it's 'Hip'
Only european countries get that kind of 'luck'....
which was worse Rwanda or Bosnia ... hummmm... well I'd say Rwanda ;I know a few Bosnian's/Croats so doubt I'm underestimateing that end..... you didn't see the UN or NATO help those Africans much did you?

What about Colombia... if the US ever had a resposible hand for leading a country into chaos it'd have to here.  We start out relations by createing a revolution.  This was done to create Panama, a country which would gladly lease it's canal lock's to the US(along with military instalations)... unlike Colombia which likely wanted to keep it's own land.
  Bringing it into the mordren day we DEMAND Cocaine from Colombia while we also demand and enforce that they don't grow it. (if you did that to a kid would it be considered child abuse?{ask kid to do something, then slap him, then YELL at him to do it agin(until he does it),*SLAP*}  Demand isn't going away. but i'm on a tangent..

Just like with Iraq we won't do crap unless there's money to be had or money to be lost by inaction. ( i think Iraq is a 'money to be had' operation,  Bosnia was a money to be lost (unstable euorpe is bad for the US)

This says one simple thing that drives our great nation ... money- if you think diffrant your a liar or a fool.  

Anyone actually read the UN proposal that was sent to Iraq?
I'm just wondering if Iraq gets the privlage of selling oil to the US in it?  Proably at US Price calls too.... maybe?  Seems like we've been doing that for awhile now.  Didn't Mr. Cheny do 20 mil or so with Iraq for thier oil?... I wonder if the 'trade embargoed' Iraq got full price then?  I don't think Mr. Hussien is a good man, but there are alot of bad men as this post points out.  So I think there's very littie chance of mainstream US doing anything about Africa... they don't have enough Oil and noone cares if they are at war.

btw that's my best escape from stupid people takeing money for PETA or something, "You think your dog's got problems; you can buy PEOPLE in africa, {{why would I spend it on a DOG!}} usally don't add that tho
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2002, 02:37:24 PM »
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... Of course, some would only have to refer to China, Russia, Cambodia and Vietnam to show what kind of atrocities can be done in the name of atheism or the need for no religion.

A zealot is a zealot is a zeolot.  Religion has little to do with it.

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Exactly.

Any Farrakhan supporters care to comment?

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2002, 02:39:14 PM »
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Exactly.

Any Farrakhan supporters care to comment?


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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2002, 02:57:08 PM »
By the way, I've been baptised in my grandmother's church in a small Southern town where Saturday nights meant a good wholesome revival with laps around the pews as the bass guitarist thumped gospel tunes.  The first time I took my wife to a Saturday night revival her Catholic eyes got as big as saucers.

And I also ate free lunches on the university library lawn with the Krishnas.  They may be different, but they can cook vegetables and brown bread well enough.

I was married in an Episcopalian church.

And I usually spend my Sundays sleeping off a late-night "Aces High" session and watching football.  I praise God 3 or 4 times a week, either at sunrise or sunset, as I pound out a quick 4 mile run.  He doesn't pass around the collection basket out there, and he doesn't seem to mind my missing the services.

I also don't make a big deal about my beliefs, or get defensive when challenged.

I think Ripsnort already knew that, though.  He didn't really chomp on my bait. :)

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2002, 03:03:14 PM »
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No, just the same old Religion bashing that insecure people must post to feel better about their non-beliefs.


that's the most underdeveloped argument alive today and consequently, the only one you and eagler ever seem to have.

too bad you resort to this play-freud approach every time instead of facing down the atcual issues that people raise. as for your stunning psycho-analysis...

guy 1: doesn't know or care what happens when he dies, doesn't know or care one way or the other whether god exists, is capable of starting from scratch and developing his own moral system without the motivator of fear, accepts the unknown whole heartedly come what may.

guy 2: is afraid to question his beliefs because god might be reading his mind so they've never been subject to critical thinking, follows god's commandments no matter what they are because of the fear of eternal torture, prepares for death constantly out of fear of being unready, endlessly tries to get national policy to support his god as a matter of state.

who is insecure again? exposing christianity and every other religion as fraud isn't about insecurity, it's kind of a reality check to your groups that you aren't going to call the shots anymore - and the rest of us aren't going to sit back and be fodder for all these stupid religious wars.  the more your nonsense is exposed the less power your lobby has and the sooner this fairey tale is over - plain and simple.

the sooner we put ALL religions to bed the sooner we can grow up as a species.

and one more thing rip......i've never seen a christian convert to atheism or agnosticism when suddenly struck with a disease or at the end of their rope or mired in poverty. i have seen plenty of people suddenly get 'born again' though when faced with the unknown....what does that suggest about the 'security' of those people doctor?

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2002, 03:11:09 PM »
mrfish, show me one post started by a Christian bashing an atheist....just one...thats all I ask, just ONE. ;)

Its insecurity in its purest, subliminal form, but thats okay.  you'll get over it, one way or another ;)

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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2002, 03:25:34 PM »
a. again, in lieu of a debate over what was offered in my post you retreat to your broken pseudo-psychology

b. what have atheists done to deserve a thread bashing them?

would you like me to start giving you reasons why someone may want to bash christians?

http://www.godhatesstudmuffins.com/

is a good place to start....

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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2002, 03:37:51 PM »
Incredibly amazing how much stupid racism still exists in the world.

Not trying to defend the actions of these imbecils you posted about gofaster, but what the HELL does their actions have to do with the continent that they come from, or the fact that they are African?

They are just going back to their old tribal ways.

Never hear that about the Irish or the Serbs or any other people who we like to consider as WHITE. Even though THEY commit similar attrocities.

You guys don't even realize your doing it and then you wonder why Black people in this country get angry at the treatment from ignorant mokes and the insidious backhanded remarks they hand out so freely.

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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2002, 03:40:22 PM »
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b. what have atheists done to deserve a thread bashing them?

 


Doncha know?

We're Hyprocritcal child rapists that have a governing authority that protects us from prosecution AND makes excuses as to why that was an acceptable practice in the past....or am I confused?


When a soldier dies, most often his cry for help is for a medic first, then to his mother......as it should be IMO.

If I were ever in a position again of having to console a dying soldier and he wanted to pray...I'd act religious for him and the moment, it's only right IMO.

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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2002, 03:40:25 PM »
Rip, you're wrong, one day when you grow up a bit more as a person and are secure enough to put your conservative-reneck-hunter-wanna-be persona aside you will realise that.