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« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2002, 03:51:02 PM »
There are no atheists in foxholes, or airplanes that are flying into the ground or a skyscraper.

Simple fact.
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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2002, 04:04:47 PM »
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Originally posted by 2Slow
There are no atheists in foxholes, or airplanes that are flying into the ground or a skyscraper.

Simple fact.


Well, I know about foxholes and you are wrong...at least back in '67-72' you would have been. The split was about 50/50 in the ranks of the living. Fresh fish would be mostly religious untill their first few firefights with casualties...some convert, some get so pissed that they abandon their religion totaly and some hold their fear inside and don't talk about it...those that hold it in most often have that 1000yd gaze attributed to WWII era battle fatigue.

In the end it's what brings them peace when the end comes.....God isn't the answer to all people in that situation.

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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2002, 04:05:50 PM »
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There are no atheists in foxholes, or airplanes that are flying into the ground or a skyscraper.

Simple fact.


Prove it.

EDIT: NM, Lars just disproved it.

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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2002, 04:30:32 PM »
While I may be concerned about the causes of such evil in Africa I am far more concerned about it's EFFECTS.  Intervention would be worth the risks if it would put an end to the animals abusing those children.

My religious beliefs provide some comfort, for I am convinced that there is a special place in Hell for those who commit such crimes against children.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Our friends are all mankind.

"I have compassion on the multitude..."

"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

"And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them...and said 'But whoso shall offend one of these little ones...it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.'"

Some of you guys are more concerned about winning an argument or pointing out each other's biases than you are about finding a solution to the problem.  Such discourse is unhealthy and counterproductive.

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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2002, 05:24:13 PM »
Reverse that- what has any Christian done on this board to merit attack?

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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2002, 06:18:08 PM »
i don't only criticize things i see on this board - why does a christian have to post somehting to draw criticism?

did you miss my link? what about that love-fest of a site? what atheist site is analagous to that?

- has anyone come up to you recently and told you that if they didn't think what you thought, you'd be tortured for the rest of eternity after you die?

why don't you address the issues i've raised rather than martyring yourself for your religion being criticized? you don't have to respond you know...

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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2002, 06:23:33 PM »
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Incredibly amazing how much stupid racism still exists in the world.

Not trying to defend the actions of these imbecils you posted about gofaster, but what the HELL does their actions have to do with the continent that they come from, or the fact that they are African?

They are just going back to their old tribal ways.

Never hear that about the Irish or the Serbs or any other people who we like to consider as WHITE. Even though THEY commit similar attrocities.

You guys don't even realize your doing it and then you wonder why Black people in this country get angry at the treatment from ignorant mokes and the insidious backhanded remarks they hand out so freely.


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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2002, 06:51:06 PM »
Mr. Fish-

I am answering your questions. They aren't the answers you want, naturally, but you are getting answers.

You are a logical person, right? So... how does one website fairly represent a world-wide theology? I know you are a lot smarter than that. I kinda assumed that was not worth addressing, but my bad.

Do you mean historically what have atheists done? We can argue that one til the cows come home. I could take the easy way out and mention Hitler, but there are certainly more.

Why does anyone have to do anything to draw criticism? Hmmm. What would you criticize if you didn't criticize actions? Gotta say, that leaves me scratching my head. Beliefs? You mean, even if I never say anything about religion or do anything to affect you, and you somehow find out what I believe, you are going to criticize? You don't see anything wrong with that logic?

To be honest, I can understand people upset by pushy Christians that don't realize they are doing more harm than good. I respect the zeal of the believer, but I hope they gain more discernment about the right time and place to try to deliver a message.

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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2002, 07:21:01 PM »
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Why does anyone have to do anything to draw criticism? Hmmm. What would you criticize if you didn't criticize actions? Gotta say, that leaves me scratching my head.


ah, then perhaps putting my quote back into context would help-

ripsnort (paraphrased): "i've never seen a christian start a thread bashing atheists"

me: "why would they?"

now that it's safe back home in it's native context, it means christians in life warrant criticism ('bashing' in your venacular). if christians warrant bashing and atheists by and large don't then ripsnort's comment isn't applicable -

also, my link is extremely relevant - it only gpes to show how disorganized and broken your flock is - there's no unity at all.... northern ireland is another golden example. if that site doesn't explain why people like me want to bash christians then you should go have some tea and think about it;)

you are part of a bigger group and they don't all agree with you that implies it's weakness to me...if you don't like people criticising your flock then fix it - look at what we see

Beliefs? You mean, even if I never say anything about religion or do anything to affect you, and you somehow find out what I believe, you are going to criticize? You don't see anything wrong with that logic?

kieran, you either believe the bible or you don't, your philosophies and rules as a christian are simply a matter of record - if you want to identify with them then you have to take the criticism that will result from non-believers that don't like being told they are bad people that are going to hell because they don't believe in god.

if you can prove that it is possible for good  people to go to hell without being bad, then you can prove that christians don't diminish me solely by their beliefs. anythng short of that won't cut it.

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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2002, 07:47:47 PM »
There is a serious disconnect here.

Christians are not supposed to hold anyone, no matter who or what they are, in lower esteem. No one.

Christians do not judge people or determine where they go- God does. I cannot say who God will send to heaven or hell. I can't even guarantee I will get there. Only God knows.

My question to you was rhetorical in a sense. If a Christian believes a certain way, but never says anything to you, tries to change the way you live, or otherwise does not impact your life, do you feel you need to personally criticize them? Of course not.

Suggesting that since Christianity is fragmented it is weak isn't necessarily true. Christianity is essentially similar in all but procedure. True, Catholics and Protestants have historically conflicted.

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« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2002, 08:49:58 PM »
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Only God knows.


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« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2002, 09:32:24 PM »
I think U.S. special forces should get involved in this fight.  What this dude (Kony) is doing to population is sick.  Being the only super-power in the World, the U.S. does have somewhat of a moral obligation to stop things like this.  Plus, volunteer units (ie special forces) are always itching to get into some combat.

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« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2002, 04:25:26 AM »
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I think U.S. special forces should get involved in this fight. What this dude (Kony) is doing to population is sick. Being the only super-power in the World, the U.S. does have somewhat of a moral obligation to stop things like this. Plus, volunteer units (ie special forces) are always itching to get into some combat


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« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2002, 04:27:10 AM »
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« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2002, 04:29:58 AM »
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