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Offline Wlfgng

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« on: November 12, 2002, 03:11:51 PM »
I think not...
I used to think he was but figured he come out of hiding by now to make some 'great' statement.

he's toast IMO


Bin Laden that is..

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2002, 03:14:21 PM »
Yeah, note the voice was reported as "similiar too" Bin Laden.

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2002, 03:18:27 PM »
Can't we check through voice printing?

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2002, 03:28:42 PM »
He's dead. Blown into little bits or buried unter 50 metric tons of rock.

The last confirmed 'sighting' of him was in the Tora Bora area in early December. Very shortly after that Tora Bora got pounded harder than 99% of the people in this world can fathom. They set off a BLU-82 over the primary valley just to say 'here we come boys'. The entire area got absolutely hammered then swept with a brush consisting of a wave of very highly trained infantry.

More importantly...as the saying goes..."terrorism is 50% operations and 50% propoganda".

It would be very easy for him to make a video tape that provided easy to veryify and incontrovertable evidence that he was still alive *today* without risking his safety and/or risking detection in any way whatsoever. And if he did this it would be a massive Al-Q victory. Financial support and recruits would become available to his 'cause' on a massive scale. If he were alive, he'd be stupid to *not* make such a tape.

Furhtermore, Al-Q has already undergone 2+ 'operational' regorganizations in the past 6 months alone. There's a top 10 list of 'who is most crucial to Al-Q in terms of running successful operations/who is most crucial to Al-Q in terms of accquiring support/etc.' that's updated by all the good guy CT groups worldwide on a fairly regular basis. Bin Laden hasn't been on that list since last January.

He's dead.

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2002, 03:35:00 PM »
He is dead.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2002, 03:45:16 PM »
personally, IMO, ifn i was GWB i wouldn't admit to  Binladen being dead till   oh   less see  hmmm ,  about october, 2004, and then say we had just found and taken him out.

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2002, 03:53:31 PM »
exactly what I'd do too.
I wouldn't let everyone know officialy that he's dead.
too easy to lose some support that way.


IMO he's toast for all the reasons above.

as for the fine=toothed-comb comment, me thinks you put a little too much trust in the US's abilities.
Those mountains are incredible. One could hide there almost forever without being located.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2002, 04:57:21 PM »
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Originally posted by wulfie
They set off a BLU-82 over the primary valley just to say 'here we come boys'.


Is that a fuel-air device?  Or is that the big bellybutton bomb they drop out of the back of a C4?
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2002, 04:58:24 PM »
Wlfgng, I can't get into much detail here as far as verification of data goes. Trust me on a couple of things:

1. The sweep was conducted by really good troops, and alot of them were non-U.S. troops.

2. The sweep was far more successful than it has been reported to be by most media outlets. This is probably due to the media not being allowed to do certain things to 'verify facts'. There are alot of dead Al-Q fighters buried in caves but because there's no way to 'count' how many are buried you aren't going to read about them in a news report on the relevant battle(s).

3. A native to that area (14,000' high up in the mountains), if he was hiding alone, in a totally natural and fairly small cave, could hide fairly well. However, the majority of the Al-Q targeted in the sweep (99% or more) were in no way native to that terrain (at least 20% were Chechen for example). The caves they were in were highly developed fortifications. Once those fortifications started falling in general the 1st tier Al-Q fighters (very very worthy foes by the way) ran as fast as they could for the border. Alot of them died running before they reached the border. This is a good thing. Most of the 1st tier Al-Q 'tactical' operators have special forces type training and combat experience. In general they got killed because they broke contact too late - they didn't realize how well they could be tracked, pursued, and targeted - even in that terrain. Their idea of our capabilities in those departments was based on analyis of the '91 war vs. Iraq, Somalia, Kosovo, Bosnia, etc. They underestimated the opposition in those departments by roughly a factor of 10.

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2002, 05:00:13 PM »
Curval, it's the big brick of explosives. FAE were off limits due to the close proximity of friendly forces. That BLU-82 was a one-time deal, used during a period of time when we had no friendly units in the area.

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2002, 07:28:12 PM »
Dead.  Or too scared to stick his head out of his hidey hole.  Either way, he got the point. And dont think they didn't notice over there.

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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2002, 09:58:43 AM »
US State Dept. just said it was his voice.

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2002, 10:01:53 AM »
audio tape instead of video tape ?

If this son of a pig is really still alive , he probably has altered his appearance , and wants to keep his new face hidden.

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2002, 10:08:51 AM »
yeah.. he could be anyone....................... ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. .................
anywere






Like Elvis.







or Ripsnort

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2002, 10:09:13 AM »
I think all Arabs should have to register thier voices.
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