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Offline udet

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what the creator of IL2 thinks of AH and AH players
« on: November 13, 2002, 02:52:07 PM »
(this is copied and pasted, his English is very poor)

(Q): There are comments made by experienced online pilots from another sim. In my opinion, some points are very valid and some things might need to be reworked in Il-2. (List...)
(A): About flight model in AH....
Joke.... Intersting but all these guys think that they know better than pilots.
Ok. Nothing more.
Just one comment. Il-2 can't replace AH untill the time when the multiplaye will have similar features to AH and will be free (with limited amount of planes) or for the small payment if to run more than 300 planes simulataniously.
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Link: 10/08/02 11:23AM

it's from a FAQ that can be found at this link
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2002, 03:11:45 PM »
I think he needs to look at WB, as far as online is conserned.  He has all the same problems, and with only 32 players.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2002, 03:14:30 PM »
Oleg was looking at AH along time ago.  I'm sure I'm not the only one that got an email from him asking what I envisioned as what it takes to make a good flight sim, strategy, etc.  He sampled alot of people, then built it.  They came.  Now he's >< far away from creating one of the best MMOG's on the market.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2002, 03:27:31 PM »
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Oleg was looking at AH along time ago.  I'm sure I'm not the only one that got an email from him asking what I envisioned as what it takes to make a good flight sim, strategy, etc.  He sampled alot of people, then built it.  They came.  Now he's >< far away from creating one of the best MMOG's on the market.



 until you put 32+ of his nice looking planes on screen.  SLIDE SHOW.......
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2002, 03:27:36 PM »
Oleg at his diplomatic best :). You should read some of the other Q&As in the link.
I think he under-estimates the number of real-life pilots in AH and also he should consider that if he is going for the Flight Sim MMOG market then we basically ARE that market, apart from a few die-hards in WB and a few Quake Kids who play what's left of FA.  
Mind you the Il2 player base is much larger than ours and you should see some of the whining that goes on there, so perhaps that explains his short temper.

Do like Il2? Yes, it's certainly the best boxed WWII flight sim around and stands as the next leap forward in the genre.
Would I play an MMOG version of IL2? I'd certainly give it a go.
I still don't think everything is right with the game though (behaviour with flaps down comes to mind as well as performance at alt).
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2002, 03:40:48 PM »
Think about it guys... this is like Hardcase in reverse. What do any of us care what Oleg says on his board? Doesn't it seem natural there would be bias for his sim over there? I say don't sweat it, and play the ones you like. And for the love of pete, don't go over there and pull a 500 post thread out your butt "defending" AH. That's a sure loser.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2002, 04:12:18 PM »
IMO -IL2 compliments AH extremely well and visa vis.
I enjoy both tremendoulsy for very different reasons.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2002, 04:24:55 PM »
The Triumph  of flight sims.

Looks nice..... best left in the garage.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2002, 04:59:13 PM »
Another quote from farther down the list of what I am going to call "Olegism's":

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Probably. Maybe some elements, but with limited amount of players. Simply for greater than 32 we should support special dedicated server. Il-2 had other goal on the market then AH and WB. And this first goal is done with unexpected success for us. That means that we'll continue to develop sims with increased level of details, precision, better 3D world, better AI, complexity of modeling, new elements of gameplay, etc.


I don't think Oleg has a really great grasp of the English language. If you read and re-read his statements you get the understanding of that. Anyway with the way his game forums get trashed more than AH forums I can understand his short temper. So as he stated "IL-2 had other goal on the market then AH". And I think he did a hell of a job on that with the exception of the campaign generator. Hopefully IL-2: FB addon will remedy that situation.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2002, 05:16:30 PM »
I agree with rip..
anyone that discounts this guy and his team from developeing a killer masive multi player online game because of his use of english is beeing really really silly.
I like that he is vocal in his comunity..with that comes some foot in mouth and some misunderstandings..but look at what he is accomplishing.
He has total crediblity with his comunity..And he is right about AH types..we do think we know more then pilots or game developers...the truth shouldn't hurt anyones feelings.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2002, 06:10:04 PM »
Oleg is busy perfecting his sim, included in that perfection is MORE people online than works well now.

He will probably pull it off and I am sure HTC and other Pay to Play Providers are watching his progress.

I can say with no doubt and no apologies that IL2s online capability, even with its limited numbers online, is what cost HTC my subscription.

This in no way means AH is not an excellent game it simply means I can get all I expect from online play from another source.

I do miss those B17s and Gooney Birds though.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2002, 06:53:12 PM »
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Originally posted by Sunchaser
Oleg is busy perfecting his sim, included in that perfection is MORE people online than works well now.

He will probably pull it off and I am sure HTC and other Pay to Play Providers are watching his progress.

I can say with no doubt and no apologies that IL2s online capability, even with its limited numbers online, is what cost HTC my subscription.

This in no way means AH is not an excellent game it simply means I can get all I expect from online play from another source.

I do miss those B17s and Gooney Birds though.


Well said Sunchaser. Good Luck over there in IL-2 and hopefully I can get in on one of well hosted server setups soon.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2002, 07:41:55 PM »
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"Joke.... Intersting but all these guys think that they know better than pilots. "


 lol.  Interestingly enough many AH players are pilots including HiTech.   Is Oleg?

 Oed


http://www.il2sturmovik.com/the_game/dev_team.php#top


Visist that site and read up on designers of IL2. Notice education level of each team member.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2002, 07:58:03 PM »
I have no doubt that the future will yield some very interesting games. Thing is the network connectivity for MMOG games is probably one of the most important aspects of online gaming. Lets hypotheticaly say they produce an MMOG game based on the IL2 game. If the servers are in Russia, people over here can expect alot of network lag. Network issues for MMOG games are VERY important.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2002, 08:04:22 PM »
Russian I didn't notice anything startling? No offense to those guys but Technical Universities, Polytechnics, ummmm... comon.

Udie look at it another way, IL2 caters for todays top end machines, but when these guys go to the MMPOG stage todays top end machines will be the average desktop PC.


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http://www.il2sturmovik.com/the_game/dev_team.php#top


Visist that site and read up on designers of IL2. Notice education level of each team member.
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