Originally posted by NOD2000
sakai i hate to say this but he ki-84 entered service in May 1944 with the engine that it was desined to use. The Me-262 was intro duced in july 1944 that is a 2 month diffrence. You say that the Me-262 didn't have a big affect on the War, well i have to say that the Ki-84 had just the same effect on the war. The Me-163 Komet interterd service in Aug 1944 which is just 3 months diffrence. The b-29 entered service in june 1944 and well that is a months differance.
In other words "hey stupid u want a plane that had a huge effect on the war it ain't goin to be the ki-84 that u want so bad"
I think we're missing the point here, and I'm sorry did I call you a name? I think not.
Do you really feel the Ki-84 woud unbalance MA play? Take resources for modeling away from planes we "really" need like the Me-163 or the beloved and oft-used B-36? I think that late war Japanese Homeland defense was defined by the Ki-84 and other planes, though I certainly would never ask for the Ki-100 myself because I think that's the Japanese equivalent of the Salamander, Ta-152, etc. The Ki-84 would simply be a fine addition to both scenario/CT use and the MA without being an unbalancing factor.
Likely all Franks were used for something in Japan, not true of all German secret and hyper craft and the potential of a single frank isn't anything when compared to any Jet or Rocket craft or any mega bomber or A-bomb so my comparison is a good one and the criticism, in context of this debate, is misplaced.
I mean, I know your points and understand them, there is nothing wrong with your points in some other discussion, they simply are not relevant to this particular debate.
Since the Frank would not really be more than an agile FW with some less favorable qualities when compared to the 190 (survivability, firepower, high alt performance, diving) then I really can't fathom your argument, your turning on a single point that really is not germane to the debate at hand which is: The A-bomb and it's carriervehicle are over the top and define the next era, not the one that this sim is based upon. And, best of all, the Frank was simply tossed out as an example and your fixating on it is a likely reason for your failure to grasp the larger idea and points proffered.
Now, if your point is "let's ditch all late war craft, at least untill all early craft are built": then I am with you.
Besides, the thread really is about the ridiculously assinine, unthinking, and sophmoric mindset that wants mega weapons. I would argue that until you have the earlier craft--which as noted and not really countered in any meaningful way by you or anyone is the defining aspect of the air war in WWII--fleshed out, making a B-29 is really a ploy for punks, weenies, and sissies who can't aim two 7.7s in a fabric-covered Gladiator.
Now, align yourself where you will (that certainly is your choice and I applaud your use of your agency!), I simply think that common sense, decency, honor and the American way should all be given a more favored hearing than the absolute nonsense of B-36s and A-bombs and that the 234, 163 and it's ilk should be party favors for a hoedown at the local mental institution by comparison to say, Gloster Glads, Cr42s, and such fine and honourable aircraft wherein the impact of a single man relative to all other propellor driven craft is more closely linked to his machine than the aforementioned monstrosities.
Cheers,
Sakai
