Author Topic: Only 1 year in the 2s (Read 521 times)

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #15 on:** November 22, 2002, 11:01:52 AM »

i can see what you mean but how to you mean sloppy ?

the heat thing with cpus? i had my sink not seat right on my asus 266-c and it did the p4 thing powered up and then shut down almost instantly several times. fixed the alignent and processor is fine heat protection worked. is there another issue? or issues?

i realize i am nowhere near your level scuzzy but have build 20 or so athalon systems, can get um up and runnin in under a hour 99% of the time with xp and i haven had a real problem out of any of them ( that wasent the user) . most the repair work i do tends to be on p4s now (probly cause most oems are p4) so i think of them as problematic.

the price difference is just so huge. at least at the level i build for ususaly. seems like amd works harder to keep prices down ( dont need new board for cpu slot change ect ect ect.)

for the personal part about p4s

i was selling computers for a living when p4 came out. it was nothing unusual to have to pull 3 out of the box to get one that worked for 3 days. compaq/hp/sony all had the same problems. weird errors at totaly unpredictable times freezes in all programs, athalon compaqs on the other hand were flawless and half the price we couldent keep them in stock(same software almost identical hardware). then suddenly we couldent get them ( amd cpu comps)any more. circuit city rep came buy and said "sell the crap p4s or quit ,if they dont work that is what the service plan is for intel paid us off and we are gonna push them only them ". half of us left in a 3 month period. now they sell them again go figgure, so i do harbor resentment for them, ak tin pot postin 24/7 from work shows their work ethic i think also.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #16 on:** November 22, 2002, 11:14:39 AM »

That's what I mean dolf. Sloppy; You can mess up on the HSF install of a P4 and not sweat it too much as reseating it gets you back in business, but do that to an AMD and boom,..it's toast (well,..for the most part). You can also use the stock HSF with an Intel P4 Northwood or later and overclock without much worries. Can't do that with AMD.

Your experience with P4's related to OEM computers. I would not use an OEM computer if it was given to me. There is a reason they have cheap prices. Look under the hood to know what I mean.

Fortunately, there are high quality motherboards on the market for both AMD and Intel CPU's, or we would all be stuck with garbage.

You do have to pay more attention to an AMD system. The high heat alone is enough that it should be of concern. Also, I wish AMD would get someones act together in the support chip area. I know they have made inroads, but the support chips have always been the bane of an AMD system.

It is just a matter of personal preference. I know guys that seem to get thier cookies off by applying new neon fixtures to the inside of thier computers and they love tinkering with it.

Me,..I look at a computer like its a toaster. Just do the job I need at the time I need it done and don't give me any trouble in the process.

On pricing; I think Intel is too expensive and we pay for much wasted overhead at Intel (nature of huge companies), but at the same time, AMD is too cheap and thier financial reports show it.

milnko · « **Reply #17 on:** November 23, 2002, 07:24:26 PM »

Well, this is all kinda like the debate over Fords and Chevys, but I'm gonna stick with what I've been using without complaint these last 10 years... INTEL

So here's what I ordered;

Asus P4PE/L 845PE P4 (533FSB) Skt478 DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio, LAN

Asus V8420 GeForce4 Ti4200 AGP 4X 128MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI

Corsair CMX512-3200C2 512MB PC3200 400Mhz 64Mx64 184 DIMM Cas2 Memory w/Heat Spreader

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Processor (Northwood) 2.53GHz, 533MHz FSB, Socket 478

Also I've "asked" the wifeypoo to get the Western Digital 120GB Ultra DMA/100 Hard drive (w/ 8mb
buffer, 7200RPM and 8-9ms seek time) as my XMAS present from my sons and her.

So this system outta/shoulda keep me going thru another few AH upgrades and addons.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #18 on:** November 23, 2002, 11:21:32 PM »

thanks for the response scuzzy. i can see what you are saying you have a wider view of the subject by far, thanks for the insight.

Hajo · « **Reply #19 on:** November 24, 2002, 04:32:09 AM »

Used both brands of CPU in my systems. Have had 0 trouble with either. Heat issue is becoming a thing of the past with the newer AMD chips, Intel never had them.

Only difference I can see when I purchase parts for PCs' is price vs. performance. Make sure I get the best performance for a price I'm willing to pay. Now....if performance is equal the price becomes the measuring stick. I always stay with name brands in components (HD, Vid Cards, Soundcards, etc.) ones that I know have a good track record on reliability and performance.

Don't skimp and purchase a 79 dollar monitor and expect great video from a GeForce4Ti4600 card...can't be done! So just remember that when building a system.

Now....in our squad, the Flying Circumsized er Circus...oppps. Within the last two years squadmembers have built AMD based systems. Main reason price versus performance.....Intel makes a great chip! But testing has shown that for the time being Intel vs. Athlon in gaming test Athlon has a slight edge. Now I said for the time being! As anything in life....things are subject to change.