Author Topic: Only 1 year in the 2s (Read 520 times)

AKDejaVu · « **on:** November 14, 2002, 02:36:14 PM »

3 GHz is out baby.

AKDejaVu

Animal · « **Reply #1 on:** November 14, 2002, 03:35:52 PM »

That not nearly as exciting as Hypethreading.

WTG Intel.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #2 on:** November 14, 2002, 03:47:40 PM »

Hyperthreading ranks right in there with MMX. Not really that big of a thing... yet.

AKDejaVu

Animal · « **Reply #3 on:** November 14, 2002, 03:58:38 PM »

MMX was a stupid marketing gimmick to sell CPUs.
Hyperthreading works, or at least, all these reviewers think it does:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1746
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Mzg4
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=50000319
http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q4/pentium4-3.06/index.x?pg=1

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2002, 04:10:55 PM »

MMX was a stupid marketting technic?

Sorry Animal... no way.

MMX highlighted one thing... hardware support without software support will get you nowhere. MMX and MMX2 techology is in every chip sold today... AMD or Intel.

The main problem with Hyperthreading is that there wasn't much of a need to write code for multiprocessor units. Especially in niche markets like gaming.

Eventually... the MPS capabilities will proliferate into more programs... and that will highlight Hyperthreading.

AKDejaVu

OZkansas · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2002, 09:51:35 AM »

He heeeee, currently I have an Intel 1.7GHZ machine. Am just now thinking of moving to an Intel 2.8GHZ. Mind you I am just thinking of doing this.

Less than 2 years ago I would upgrade to get 2 or 3 MHZ faster without thinking twice. Now I only let it rattle around in the old mind to gain 1.1GHZ!

My oh My, how things change in such a short period of time!

I wonder how the CPU manufactures are going to get the public to want to upgrade after the 1GHZ mark?

I think it will take the game programers to get the public to upgrade. But they are way behind in taking advantage of all that the latest CPU's and Video cards offer!

Maybe it will be the movie and video guys who push the limits?

I don't know, but someone will have to get the public's attention and push the limits in order for the hardware guys to keep producing faster and faster hardware.

bloom25 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2002, 07:41:32 PM »

Intel has really been cranking out the CPUs lately, that's for sure!

I think hyperthreading is a good idea, but honestly I don't find it too exciting right now. It's totally useless unless you have a multithreaded OS and multithreaded applications. [Windows 2000, XP Pro, and Linux] (This means XP Home users get NO BENEFIT from it at all, since XP Home doesn't support dual CPUs.) I know of very few games that are multithreaded, and very few home users make use of programs like 3dStudio Max (where it would help the most). You'll also need a fairly new chipset that supports HT.

Regardless, it's still an interesting concept that does seem to help performance in some cases.

(I'm just waiting to see the advertisements from Gateway for XP Home systems claiming HT is like having Dual CPUs.

)

eagl · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2002, 07:49:55 PM »

the other thing hyperthreading appears to be great for is running multiple apps at the same time. Like listening to your mp3 collection while flying AH. Or realtime video/audio capture. Or doing graphics manipulation while burning a CD or listening to mp3s.

In those situations, the reviews I saw show some pretty amazing results. Up to 28% "raw" performance increase seems nice, but the biggest benefit was a dramatic reduction in stuttering and other system hiccoughs.

I think it will be a HUGE thing once people start comparing hyperthreading systems to older systems doing their normal tasks. You just won't have to wait for one thing to be done before hitting another, and even the basic OS and GUI operations should feel smoother.

Kaz · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2002, 07:22:30 AM »

Just upgraded to a 1.5Ghz P4 from a 733Mhz P3 I'm doing just fine thank you

Hajo · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2002, 03:47:53 AM »

3ghz Pents just taking the place of dual cpu systems. Saw Screen Savers on TechTV. Probably won't boost framerates or anything like that for gaming, will just help running multiple apps.
Good boost for business PC.....nothing for gaming.

Hajo

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2002, 07:41:00 AM »

Hajo.. what are you currently running?

milnko · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2002, 10:13:32 AM »

I just started looking to upgrade so far I'm thinking along the lines of:

Pet 4 2.53GHz (533 MHz)= $238
ASUS P4PE/L Motherboard = $121
Corsair 512mb PC3200/DDR400 RAM = $183
Best Data 128meg G4 Ti4400 Video card = $199

Total = $741

then I'll just move my HD, floppy, DVDROM, CD-RW, soundcard and modem over from my current system.

What ya'll think?

SOB · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2002, 10:23:39 AM »

I think you should buy that for me. Hell, I'll even pick it up!

SOB

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2002, 09:47:40 AM »

how bout goin amd ditching the 400 mhz for 266 or 333 and not havin to change all your stuff over. you would have enough left over to buy new stuff.

and very few people are gonna be able to help you with p 4 problems. as no one i know builds them at all unless forced to .

Skuzzy · « **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2002, 10:34:48 AM »

Not quite true dolf. Built many P4 systems myself. The thing is, if you use quality parts, then you have no problems.

That is why I always recommend stuff based on what level the user wants to deal with. You can get away with being a bit sloppy on a P4 system, versus an AMD system.

This in no way is a bad reflection on either AMD or Intel, it is just the perception I have.