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Offline batdog

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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2001, 06:27:00 AM »
If you dont want abunch of pep's writing there 2 cents worth, or less for some of us, on a public board I'd think about sending a private message perhaps and conduct the entire thing in a much more controled enviroment?

 I will say I do apologise for seeming like a "grave dancer". I simply got abit annoyed at his blast towards a good flight sim and then amused at the response/blast vie HT.
I dont know him,Supongo,from Adam so I can only judge vie what i see here on the BBS which is bad idea no doubt.

 I think we've got to remember that HT and crew are adults and when they get hit with hardcore critism they can defend themselves.

 Besided... I think from HT's SECOND post I was one of those that got my bellybutton whipped in public  :) It reminds me of the good ol'days with dad taking no prisoners.  ;)      


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Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2001, 06:48:00 AM »
Pepe traduce porfa:

He releido todo lo que he escrito y parece que la frase que ofende o molesta a los miembros de HTC es esta:

"i´ll continue requesting until Pyro or HT will deign to answer this messages and say what they do."

Intentare explicar lo que quiero decir:

He puesto numerosos post indicando lo que a mi parecer deberia ser modificado o correcto en AH, y no he recibido respuestas por parte de HTC sobre si mis ideas eran malas o sobre que se iba a hacer al respecto. En esta frase queria decir que, mientras no reciba una respusta a mis preguntas seguire preguntando y escribiendo mejoras que creo necesarias. Es mi opinion. No he pretendido ofender, ni creo que el tono de mis palabras anteriores haya sido entendido.

Ahora, me gustaria que Hitech me dijese que parte de mi post ha resultado ofensivo para que el dijese:

"You could have gotten a real response until you state somthing like this.

Now you just got lowered to the class of a whiner and do not derserve a response, so don't expect one"

que segun mi traductor indica un gran enfado.
la traduccion literal es esta:

"Usted habría podido conseguir una respuesta verdadera hasta que usted indica somthing como esto. Ahora usted apenas consiguió bajado a la clase de un whiner y no derserve una respuesta, así que no cuenta con uno"

como ven, todo se puede malinterpretar.

Un saludo

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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2001, 07:45:00 AM »
mi turno ´  :p



He releido todo lo que he escrito y parece que la frase que ofende o molesta a los miembros de HTC es esta:

"i´ll continue requesting until Pyro or HT will deign to answer this messages and say what they do."


I've read everything I wrote again, and it seems that the quote wich Hitech disliked was this one.

(insert up mentioned paragraph   ;))

Intentare explicar lo que quiero decir:

He puesto numerosos post indicando lo que a mi parecer deberia ser modificado o correcto en AH, y no he recibido respuestas por parte de HTC sobre si mis ideas eran malas o sobre que se iba a hacer al respecto. En esta frase queria decir que, mientras no reciba una respusta a mis preguntas seguire preguntando y escribiendo mejoras que creo necesarias. Es mi opinion. No he pretendido ofender, ni creo que el tono de mis palabras anteriores haya sido entendido.


I'll try to explain what I meant:

I've posted lots of times talking about things I thought should be changed or fixed in AH. Yet I've never seen answers from HTC to my posts and requests answering if my ideas were wrong or right,or giving any hint wether something was to be done on the subjects I was asking about.

So, when I posted that quote in my first message of this thread, I simply wanted to mean, that as long as I dont receive an answer to my questions , I'll keep on asking and writing about improvements for AH wich I find neccesary. This is just my opinion. I never wanted to be offensive; and I think my words were misinterpreted.
 
Ahora, me gustaria que Hitech me dijese que parte de mi post ha resultado ofensivo para que el dijese:

"You could have gotten a real response until you state somthing like this.

Now you just got lowered to the class of a whiner and do not derserve a response, so don't expect one"

que segun mi traductor indica un gran enfado.
la traduccion literal es esta:

"Usted habría podido conseguir una respuesta verdadera hasta que usted indica somthing como esto. Ahora usted apenas consiguió bajado a la clase de un whiner y no derserve una respuesta, así que no cuenta con uno"

como ven, todo se puede malinterpretar.




syntesis   :D

Now, I'd like Hitech to tell me wich part of my post has been as offensive as to deserve an answer like the one I got, wich ,according to my translator, it means an angry answer

(he inserts the literal translation of HT's answer he got in his online translator)

As you see, everything is easy to be misinterpretated.

[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2001, 08:05:00 AM »
Supongo: desde mi experiencia te puedo decir que HTC no suele contestar muy a menudo mensajes comentando, preguntando, o sugiriendo cosas, a no ser que se les pregunte directamente en el titulo del mensaj y de buen rollo   :) -y a veces ni aun asi-.

 Hasta cierto punto es normal. Tienen que trabajar en AH, y si tuvieran q postear continuamente no tendriamos una actualizacion al año. El mosqueo q se ha pillado Hitech contigo esta claro que no es muy justificado porque tu no querias ser irrespetuoso...pero te dire que el mensaje inicial ciertamente parecia casi demandar una respuesta de HTC, involuntariamente, si, pero lo parecia. Asi que entiendo q Hitech se pillara el rebote contigo porque leyo algo diferente a lo que tu querias decir. El mensaje inicial,y especialmente la frase q hitech remarco, parecia irrespetuoso y duro en extremo.Y de ahi su respuesta. Si,no era lo que querias decir pero es lo que parecia

Ten un poquito de paciencia y veras como esto se arregla y te responden   :)

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Supongo; from my own experience I can tell you that HTC doesnt use to answer the BBS messages commenting, asking, or suggesting things unless they are directly asked in the topic of the message, and in a polite way--and sometimes they dont answer even if that happens.

If you think about it, you'll find that is understandable. They have to work on AH, and if they should have to answer continuously the forum messages, we wont have a sigle update/year. Hitech's angry answer to your post isnt justified because you didnt ment to be offensive, HOWEVER I'll tell you that the first post certainly seemed to demand an answer from HTC, without you wanting it, of course, but that is what it seemed. So Hitech's answer is perfectly understandable because what you meant is not what you said, and what you said seemed unpolite and harsh to the extreme. You didnt want it that way, but is what it seemed.

Be a little patient and you'll see that you get the answers you are looking for   :)
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Off the record I want to insist on what I said before. Supongo is a class act in EVERY sense, a GREAT fighter pilot, nice wingman and great opponent. Face to face, personally, he is just great as individual and someone to talk with. I had the great luck of knowing him personally, and I know what I'm talking about.

I wont remark what I already said about gravedancing. SERIOUSLY disgusting and not explainable under any circunstances, much less now.

Finally, to those who said that supongo should've sent this in private, then he wont have had a single answer from HT, just for the reasons HT mentioned in this thread.

Supongo's post seemed way harsher than what it was in fact. Keep it in mind.

[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2001, 08:11:00 AM »
We can't change the world for the better without hard work.*

*Mindless saying from SC-Bama.

Salute all,

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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2001, 08:29:00 AM »
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Originally posted by batdog:
...It reminds me of the good ol'days with dad taking no prisoners.   ;)      ...

LOL!  Been there been done that   ;)

Cheers,

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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2001, 08:48:00 AM »
Man, that’s a lot of Internet translators with computer power to say what I can easily decipher--

He said- “I was disappointed my friend recommended AH, so much I would like to chop of his balls. Lol

“Why? Cause I want to squeak in a unknowing state after a minuscule research background on WWII aircraft, but I’m adamant in my statement of frustration that I did not do well in the superb game state HTC provided, no matter their research or time consumed in their quest for authenticity in the FM model  . ”

Translated, “these bastards are good in the flight model HTC painstakingly modeled, they know their toejam, and it aint EASY.”

Again, he reflects, “For instance, the Fm sucks- The Niki is porked (I read all the BBS banter) even if it kicks bellybutton as a late war Japanese milestone in fighter development, and kills me and everyone else that’s in a early war German ride that turn fought’s it foolishly & unrealistically, so what if it’s realistic. “


Then he goes on “the Spit is modeled for toejam as well, how can a 109 that realistically used alt, numbers and speed to win against the Spit, loses in 1V1 tight turning furballs in a game-play concession MA ?”

More translation- “My motor isn’t damaged by overheating or has prop pitch models, fuel mixture model, or heat induced fatigue like 190’s were notorious for .” Meaning of course, “Why isn’t the boring gameplay featureless problems worked on before the planeset itself? I can wait 1 year for 1.08, cant YOU?

And the biggie, the CT. I hope he doesn’t mean the Combat Theater. I told you what that would be before it was introduced. If it’s Combat Trim, well. No comment.

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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2001, 08:52:00 AM »
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"Fly AH, it´s the more realistic sim, its FM, DM, etc are near 95% reality or more"

If someday i see this friend, i´ll castrate him XD. AH doesn´t approach to 70%.

Many basics things aren´t included, things i tell them many times and i´d been humilled always, but i want insisting:

Improvement all FM and GM, N1K, Spitfire IX and 109G (specially G6).

 
lolololol its a loving game man, slow down and have fun  :D

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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2001, 08:59:00 AM »
LOL Creamo, you were missing in this thread  ;)

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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2001, 09:00:00 AM »
Call me what you will, I could care less. "Gravedancers", "Loudmouth", or even "Horses Ass".

And please don't think I'm against Supongo because of his English, or him using internet translators.  I'm friends with quite a few non native english speakers in AH.  Spaniards (yes R4M I consider you friend even tho I frequently disagree with you  ;) ), Dutch, Germans, Russians, Brazilians, Koreans, Swedes, Finns, and several others.

And anyone who has been on RW with me knows that I don't exactly speak "standard" english myself, I speak Hillbilly  ;)

Plus Supongo is a damn fine pilot who has kicked my hind end on several occaisons, and left me wondering.. "how did he do that!"

What I have problems with is his agenda, and how he presents it.

I'm sorry but I think the tone of his post was translated exactly as it was meant to be, since when R4M and others translated it, it sounded exactly the same to me. Even his follow up post sounded exactly the same. "Answer ME or I'll continue to stomp my feet and YELL!!" is how it comes across to me.

And his agenda, *sigh* well some of the gameplay issues I agree with, but see the reasons why HTC can not go that route. But some of the aircraft issues, that I and many others call the "Luftwobble Agenda", just irritate the crap outta me.

I think I'm a open minded person, with a fair approach. Produce some good data and evidence for your point, and if its reasonable, I'll HELP you campaign HTC for those changes.

But if you come in with "It doesn't feel right to me", or "In my Secret Airborne Gestapo Agents of the Luftwaffe, Kommandant Himmler said he could outturn a Zero in a Bf110 and AH is wrong!!, or even the most honest but still wrong "I don't think it should be this way because my favorite aircraft stinks", then I'm gonna disagree with you every time.

So thats why I reacted the way I did. Call me and or the outburst whatever you wish.

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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2001, 09:06:00 AM »
I dunno about the spit, but to me this seems like a LW-whine...


CT, in no way does it give anyone an advantage.  Trim was/is not a primary flight control.  Not everyone has lots of money to spend on fancy HOTAS enabling quick and simple trim adjustments.

I wouldn't mind seeing though, aircraft which didn't have cockpit adjustable trim to have it removed, though I suppose thats not much different to removing CT so a bad idea..


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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2001, 09:14:00 AM »
Main Entry: 2respect
Function: transitive verb
Date: 1560
1 a : to consider worthy of high regard : ESTEEM b : to refrain from interfering with
2 : to have reference to : CONCERN
synonym see REGARD
- re·spect·er noun

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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2001, 09:18:00 AM »
Welp, Rude has let my Boozonics off the hook.

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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2001, 09:22:00 AM »
lol - alright then, it's totally unrealistic, back to my 1/48th models and ack ack sounds then.  :)

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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2001, 10:37:00 AM »
I must be crazy to start something with Creamo..lol.  However,Creamo, don't you think it's impolite to refer to someone who you're talking about as "he".  Don't you have the guts to call them by their name?

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