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« on: November 17, 2002, 09:00:42 AM »
Anti-War Leftists Exploit Children to Advance Cause
By Joseph J. Sabia
FrontPageMagazine.com | November 14, 2002


Unable to win the substantive arguments against President Bush’s War on Terrorism, the Left has set its sights on exploiting our nation’s most vulnerable citizens, the children. In America’s two most liberal cities—Ithaca, New York and Berkeley, California—liberals are force-feeding their anti-American propaganda to young children and insisting that they regurgitate these views to the local press.

The Ithaca Catholic Worker, a communist offshoot of Ithaca’s local Catholic Church, put a shy pre-teen girl named Leah Grady Sayvets in front of a local television camera and began asking her questions about the war on terrorism. The exchange between a middle-aged female reporter and the little girl went as follows:

Reporterette: "Let me make it easy. If someone does something violent to you, should you strike back at them?"

Leah: "No. I think you should talk to them and see what they think is wrong. What they have—what’s wrong..."

Reporterette: "So you think it's better to talk out problems?"

Leah: "Yeah."

Reporterette: "Do you think George Bush is acting like a bully on the playground."

Leah: [Giggles] "Yeah."

The Ithaca City School District has decided to enforce their moral relativist worldview on young children by giving first and second grade students grades on how well they "respect others of varying cultures." According to Cornell Review’s Ryan Horn, the grade for cultural tolerance appears before reading, writing, social studies, and science on students’ report cards. Through their new policy, Ithaca schoolteachers can penalize six-year-olds who express the view that President Bush is "good" and Saddam Hussein is "bad." Criticism of America will raise students’ grades because such criticism serves as a means of debunking the "myth" that Western culture is superior to Islamic fundamentalism.

Six-year-old girls are apparently too old for Berkeley anti-war activists.

According to a report by The California Patriot, leftists are using pre-schoolers to gain sympathy for their agenda. Congressman Barbara Lee (D-CA) and Berkeley Mayor Shirley Dean led several hundred demonstrators, including many local-area pre-school children, on a protest against the war in Iraq.

Many children spoke at this rally, yelling slogans like "No War on Children" and "Stop Fighting!" A member of the Berkeley College Republicans who was present at the event asked a six-year-old "demonstrator" named Celia whether she could name the leader of Iraq. According to the Patriot:

"Celia, stumped, turned to a friend and asked, ‘Is it a boy or a girl?’ Her friend, equally puzzled, responded, ‘I think it’s a boy.’"

Another little boy parroted his teacher’s earlier words, saying that the upcoming war in Iraq is about oil and "Bush wanting more land."

Similar exploitation occurred at Ramsey Clark’s anti-war rally in Washington, D.C., held a few weeks ago. During that event, several event organizers carried their children to the podium and instructed them to scream slogans like "No Blood for Oil." Other parents forced their kids to bang on drums while singing communist-era anti-war songs. Many of these young children wore shirts with peace signs and slogans that they could not have possibly comprehended.

Exploiting children for horrific political ends is nothing new. Yasser Arafat’s murderous Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) is well-known for teaching young Arabs that Jews are vermin and should be executed. National Socialist Germany devoted significant resources to the Hitler Youth program, which reprogrammed girls and boys into Nazi devotees. One of the central tenets of Soviet Communism was to separate children from the family unit and make them primarily loyal to the totalitarian state.

America’s cowardly anti-war Leftists, who endlessly claim to be interested in the welfare of America’s children, are now content to abuse kids to serve their political interests. This is how low they have sunk. For shame.


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WEB EXTRA
Pre-schoolers protest possible war in Iraq
Allegations of exploitation arise

By Steve Sexton



They still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. They don’t know how to spell their last names or tie their own shoes. But they do know that “war is bad,” and that “Bush is a bully.”

The next generation of Berkeley peaceniks gathered on the steps of City Hall Tuesday to demonstrate their opposition to a pending war in Iraq- after school, of course. Armed with protest signs, microphones, and Harry Potter lunch-boxes, elementary and pre-school children demanded city leaders contact President Bush and halt his hawkish “war for oil.”

Two hundred students from Berkeley schools met local dignitaries, including Mayor Shirley Dean, city council members and a representative for Congresswoman Barbara Lee, D-Berkeley. Surrounding a ‘peace bell’ fashioned out of melted guns taken off of East Bay streets, children took to the microphone saying, “I don’t want people to die,” and, “we can’t keep killing each other. Then we will all die and suffer.”

Though most students at the rally could not even name Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, many seemed certain the pending U.S. led war in Iraq is about oil.

Celia, age 6, who could not spell her hyphenated last name, told the crowd President Bush “wants to make war because he wants oil.”

“What is so important about cars anyway,” she asked.

Later, when asked if she could name the president of Iraq, Celia, stumped, turned to a friend and asked, “Is it a boy or a girl?” Her friend, equally puzzled, responded, “I think it’s a boy.”

Noah, who declined to give his last name, also age six, asserted the looming war is not only about oil, but also “other things, like Bush wanting land.”

“It is like us squashing ants,” he said.

With city officials looking on, the children sang a song about “peace in the world-that means no fighting.” They held colorful homemade signs calling for peace and no war. One boy had a blue bumper sticker emblazoned on the front of his t-shirt that read: “War in Iraq: NO.” Another held a sign saying, “No War on Children.” With her mother holding a bullhorn, one child shouted a chant for peace across the City Hall plaza, as if taking cue from UC Berkeley students on Sproul Plaza.

The delegation of city leaders addressed the amassed children, telling them “we heard your message.” Berkeley City Councilmember Linda Maio said, “We hear it loud and clear. Bush needs a time-out.”

The elected leaders then signed a pledge to call President Bush and tell him “children want peace” and to urge him to “use words to resolve conflicts as we are learning.”

The rally was organized through several Berkeley pre-schools that pride themselves on their alternative curriculum. At New School, academics are set aside for physical activities like yoga. And at Berkwood Hedge, a private K-5 school with 115 students, the curriculum focuses largely on issues of social justice. This year’s theme at the school is peace. Students in after school programs at public elementary schools in the city also comprised the congregation of young peace protesters.

Sandy Morrill, mother of a seven year old at Berkwood Hedge, accompanied her son to the protest, saying it is important for the children to have a voice in politics.

“This is what they’ve been learning at school,” she said. “They have been taught about conflict resolution, and here they see it in action. The kids get to wrestle with bigger questions.”

Director of New School in Berkeley Susan Hagen said the children are “very concerned about what is going on in the world.” “They don’t want war. We teach them about talking, discussion, and negotiation.”

But Skyler Johnson, 5, hadn’t learned much about the conflict in Iraq. When he was asked who is the President of Iraq, he shrugged his shoulders and said, “My mom might know.” After she came over and gave him a little coaching, he was able to muster, “We don’t want war. Oil kills lots of people.”

The rally, which seemed a logical extension of classroom learning to organizers, struck Berkeley College Republicans Treasurer Andrea Irvin as exploiting the children for their parents’ political beliefs.

“It is incredible that these parents are using their children to advance their political agendas,” she said. “That these teachers are indoctrinating the young children is unconscionable. They are using the kids as puppets.”

Mayor Dean said she didn’t think the rally was exploitive though. She said the kids instinctively know about solving conflicts. “They know the best way to do it is to talk things out,” she said.

The rally ended after an hour with students ringing the peace bell and then marching back to their schools waving their signs.

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2002, 09:16:54 AM »
We reap what we sow...

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2002, 09:17:32 AM »
ehehehehe cool...

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2002, 09:23:13 AM »
umh Grünherz, as far as i remember the Hitlerjugend was trained
to use weapons, and not how to discuss problems ;) am i wrong ?

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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2002, 09:25:23 AM »
Grun is just angry 'cause their boy-scout group didn't get any weapons training :)

edit:
Grun, Just get your gun and defend the american youth from those nasty lefties ! You go boy !

hehehe I'm tired... :p
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2002, 09:34:08 AM »
So it's ok for schools and other public officals to indoctorinate ignorant 5 year old mentally undeveloped children to support the adult's political causes and force them to participate in mass demonstrations....  

Maybe I'm wierd but I find that idea shocking no matter what cause is being championed.

When I was 5 years old in communist Yugoslavia they made me recite songs how capitalism was evil, that the western countries were bad and to exhault the great glories of socialist labor. All in songs and games and other childish ways. And they gave me a red bandana and blue communist hat with a red star to wear, all officially done by the school and the teachers. However I dont think I was trained to use guns in that program, so it must be OK...

It's nice to see how the US left is consistent with their cold war comrades in the eastern block!  

I cant belive anyone would defend such an outrage ghost!!!

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2002, 10:53:58 AM »
If we continue to allow public schools to be the only viable schooling then we deserve this crap.   The left has allways used children to further their cause..  if fits with their 'touchy feely" debate style and basic dishonesty "end justifies the means" outlook.   They would endorse ciggarettes (and do in movies all the time) if they thought it would get em an extra dime or drop of ink.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2002, 11:03:57 AM »
Sorry... article loses all credibility by basically stating that to be against Bush's anti-terrorism campaign is to be anti-American.

It's crap.... complete alarmist roadkill.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2002, 11:31:54 AM »
Understand I am pretty conservative by many standards, but consider...

What message should schools give elementary students? That they should always fight when provoked? We don't, and shouldn't, any more than parents should advocate violence to their children as a first recourse. The child is merely reflecting a societal belief about behavior during conflict- that is, you try to discuss the problem rationally first.

The real villain (if you need one) is the reporter asking the leading questions. The child was being guided to fit into the message the reporter had already decided to write. It would have been interesting to see the answer to the follow-up question "so, if you believe Bush is a 'bully on the playground', what do you suggest would be better in light of nearly 10 years of non-compliance with U.N. sanctions in a post Gulf War Iraq, and what do you believe is the impact of apparent American reticence to resort to military action to enforce those sanctions?" The answer would have been along the lines of "huh?"

The problem is asking children who haven't the depth of understanding of the issues to deliver a relevant opinion. Heck, I still have high schoolers that think Clinton just got a BJ, and seem quite surprised to learn he committed perjury and suborned perjury, despite being elected to office with the primary task of seeing to the enforcement of the laws of our country. Once you put it into the perspective of "hey, if you were suing the president and he lied, thereby denying your right to civil litigation, would you be upset?"

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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2002, 12:02:27 PM »
One thing is to teach kids to be reasonable and to recject violence, thats fine- thats called morals and such simplistic arguments are fine and approprite to all child rearing.  But to make it into political indoctrorination and trot them out to a pre planned demonstratration and force them to comment on international politics which can in no way undrstand?  Thats bizzare, inappropriate and the tool of propagandists! Its wrong.

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2002, 01:33:13 PM »
Oh, I agree with that, and the parents of the kids should have ripped the principal a new one.

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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2002, 01:46:12 PM »
When I went to school I was told the mission of education was to make us an educated examiner. In other words we were expected to be able to look at a subject or concept critically (not negatively) and examine it on it's merits not on the "correctness" of it's politics. This example, allegedly from Berkely, (big surprise there!) seems to show not education of a discerning populace but programming with set political phraseology instead.  

There will always be a carry over of the parents political views to the children but it is NOT the place of an educational institution to dictate the political views to the student. Education is SUPPOSED to be neutral. Obviously, if thses stories are true, there is no objectivity here and these subjects are far beyond the level of understanding of 6 year olds.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2002, 02:22:52 PM »
Anti-american look to be used like "against the party" in other country ...

You will soon have a lot asymptomatic schizophrenia in america ...:p

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2002, 03:07:27 PM »
You are either with us, or with them, comrade.

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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2002, 04:10:43 PM »
i think 5 yr olds should have the right to vote, then neo-liberals can control the country and saddam can kill more people with out worrying about bully bush beating him up.

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