Corner Velocity for AH planes

[guttboy]

Hi guys,
Anyone have information on the cornering velocities on the AH modeled planes?  Any information would be appreciated.

[dtango]

Guttboy:

Take a look at the associated threads listed...

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=67105&referrerid=3699

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[guttboy]

Thanks that helps!

[Beegerite]

Know what really pissed me off?  This is a perfectly legitimate question which if we were dealing with real aircraft would be clearly shown in the flight manual.  How come nobody from the official establishment provides an answer.  Here's my take on it.  There is no such thing as an accurate cornering speed in AH because the flight model is not based on real life aerodynamics.  This my friend is a game which presents pictures of airplanes and gives the illusion of flight.  Do not expect this level of aerodynamic sophistication.

Beeg

Originally posted by dtango
Guttboy:

Take a look at the associated threads listed...

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=67105&referrerid=3699

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[dtango]

Beeger:

Please revisit the said thread.  Perhaps the reason corner velocities aren't published in pilot manuals will be more clear.

Beegerite wrote:
Here's my take on it. There is no such thing as an accurate cornering speed in AH because the flight model is not based on real life aerodynamics. This my friend is a game which presents pictures of airplanes and gives the illusion of flight. Do not expect this level of aerodynamic sophistication.

That's a pretty unfounded claim.  I surmise that if you did some aerodynamic analysis of the AH FM's that you'll discover just how sophisticated the aerodynamics are.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[hitech]

Beegrite: Define corning speed.

[Innominate]

Isn't corner speed the lowest speed you can pull maximum G's at?

[hitech]

The question was for beegrite. But yes you are correct, now considering that most AH planes max G's are limited by pilot. I.E. tunnel vision, Connering speed for all airplanes is max stall horn with out departing and with a small hole in tunnel vission.


HiTech

[Furious]

most AH planes max G's are limited by pilot. I.E. tunnel vision

HiTech,

Are you saying that once the screen goes completelty black, no more G is allowed to be applied to the plane?

If so, I like that.


F.

[Elysian]

I figured out corner speeds of some AH aircraft a few months back by using basically what HT said.  I used 5gs as the max effective G as blackout was beginning to set in at that point.  Not quite a small tunnel but the screen was dimming and getting black around the edges.  

I used TAS for these tests to negate altitude effects, which to my nut-sized brain seemed to make sense.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by hitech
The question was for beegrite. But yes you are correct, now considering that most AH planes max G's are limited by pilot. I.E. tunnel vision, Connering speed for all airplanes is max stall horn with out departing and with a small hole in tunnel vission.


HiTech

Is there any correlation with the current G deaths being encountered? I am not aware of a single recorded instance where a pilot suffered injury, much less death when subjected to momentary G loadings that did not damage the airframe. Yet this is a common problem in the game.

My regards,

Widewing

[ViFF]

I am not aware of a single recorded instance where a pilot suffered injury, much less death when subjected to momentary G loadings that did not damage the airframe. Yet this is a common problem in the game.

I am not aware of a single recorded instance of a pilot coming back from the dead saying "I blacked out, crashed and died".


Sincerely,

[hitech]

Pilot G limits do not effect pulling g's on the plane, you just black out more.

Pilot g's do not kill the pilot.

Btw Connering speed should be IAS not TAS.


HiTech

[Innominate]

Originally posted by hitech
Pilot g's do not kill the pilot.

So then what DOES cause the pilot-death in the 262 and other planes?

[Widewing]

Originally posted by ViFF
I am not aware of a single recorded instance of a pilot coming back from the dead saying "I blacked out, crashed and died".


Sincerely,

 

I'm not talking about blackout. I'm taking about instant death. The human body can survive, without injury, G loads far in excess of that required to cause airframe failure. Especially when that load is applied for mere milliseconds. It takes time for things to break. It takes time to sustain an injury. A simple example is to apply 40 psi of force, focused on a point measuring .25 square inches for 10 milliseconds to a one foot square, by .125 in. thick sheet of glass. Now apply that same force for 5 seconds. The first will leave a dimple in the glass surface, the second will shatter the glass. Same force, applied to the same area. The diference is time of application.

In the case of the "G" bug, the application of force is for milliseconds. Correctly, the aircraft suffers no damage. However, the pilot dies instantly.

Oh, by the way, accidents are investigated and crashes relating to blackout from excessive G and loading duration can be determined pathelogically as well as from the usual data sources, such as coms, witnesses, radar, etc. The pilot may be dead, but there is usually adequate evidence as to cause.

My regards,

Widewing