guru question

[easymo]

As you all know, if you hold the trim button down, in AH, it repeats, keeps moving.  Pushing a key on your keyboard does the same thing.kkkkkkkkkkkkk. Why is it that in games like WB, and IL-2 you have to run a program in the background, to get them to do what comes naturally

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I assign trim to a wheel on my X35 throttle, so I just roll the wheel a lil' and can get pos/neg at that angle.
-SW

[Eagler]

what sw said, all my trims are on rotors (or the rudder rocker) in ah and IL2 though not all trims work on all planes in IL2

but really I didn't understand the question easymo, does that answer it?

[senna]

Personally I like the key click trim. I do have my pitch trim mapped to a wheel on my TQS tho I prefer key click trim as well. I found that during combat, I actually use the button key click trim more often because its more precise (middle hats on F22). If you need to you can programm the button to issue more than one button press if required.

such as

button hit = k
or
button hit = kk

For some games where excessive trim is required or along a particular axis of trim.

PS: I found I only use the wheel trim to avoid an auger when compressed in my p-38 with speed flaps on. Last ditch effort.

I like to count all my clicks in my head for some precision back to neutral.

[easymo]

Eagler.  I just trying to learn how something works. If you hold down a key it repeats.  If that key happens to be a trim key in AH, it repeats the same way.  That seems natural.  But, in WB/IL-2 you have to program a macro into your joystick to get more then one button press.  That has always seemed odd to me.  I just wondered why.

[Manedew]

i prefer hold down, but with a precise single hit 'k' if needed.

Holding down always worked for me ... but it's built into my BIOS(hardware, not software)


AH- works well IMHO/ easy to trim 'wide' or 'fine'....Found WB's Ok .. but I feel like I'm flying with half my elevator or airleions shot off in WB's. IL-2 Worked fine for me in trim department(only tried the demo breifly).


-worst example of triming in a 'sim' that i've seen was WWIIOL.  I had no minor control of trims and ANY negtive G trim (at high speed) would KILL you:eek:; Try flying 5-10 mins to fight to die becuase you used your trim keys ... I'm still ticked

[senna]

In AH its 20 clicks -0+ either way. Also your keyrate shud be synced with your joysticks wheel, check your BIOS. Choose slower key rate or the rate -+ keys are issued will differ when you hold down the trim button.

If it helps any, some info for the new AH flyers.

[easymo]

Wheels huh?  My old sidewinder is looking a little flaccid.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Well, it's actually a rotary knob Easy... but it's significantly easier to use in Il2 than using they keyboard... especially since there isn't much of a delay (fraction of a second maybe) between moving the knob to a position and the game/plane responding to it.

I do essentially the same thing in AH, one rotary knob is assigned to do elevator up/down trim. Move it to the left of neutral and it'll keep moving the elevator trim up until I move it back to neutral. Move it to the right and it'll keep moving it down until I neutralize it.

It's a good compromise, but is significantly slower than Il2 (which I believe is a more "realistic" representation).. Il2's trim is almost like having a second joystick to move around. Maybe it'll be fixed by FB (who knows, they add a lot of super realistic stuff to the game while leaving some of the more important features in GameBoy land).
-SW

[senna]

Hum, after some thinking I think I understand your question now easymo. AH has been around a while where IL2 is a newer game. My opinion is that IL2 doesnt have a hold funtion for trim when a key is pressed is due to the fact that holding down a key generates different rates of numbers of keys pressed within a game (the software thats running reading the keyboard buffer). So IL2 takes single clicks to allow consistant trim per key hit. In AH you'll find that holding down the trim key yields 5 "k" then 6-7 "k" a moment later. Try it with a wheel and default key rate in BIOS on notepad.

kk (on one line)
then
iiiii (on the next line)

It changes cas of the software --> hardware. This is most noticable if you try to use a wheel to control your RPMs in AH. Which is why using a slightly slower key rate solves the problem.

PS: Guys who lower the RPM of the engine and stall fight in slow motion do it this way such as hanging their NIKIs on a prop like a helicopter.

[easymo]

You lost me on the BIOS.  I just set rate in the Control Panel.

[senna]

>BIOS

I meant the keyclick rate setting in the BIOS setup feature when the system boots up. Didnt know you could set it in control panel.

Of interest might be...
For TM F22s  there is also a setting for the key repeat rate in programming it. Bewteen the BIOS and my F22 script, I get very accurate trim and RPM control with the wheel and rotate knobs. Not sure what the new Cougar offers or what other joystick brands do. Perhaps newer joysticks automatically handle this problem of changing or timing of key repeat rates in relation to wheels and radio knob movement.

[easymo]

My BIOS setting max's at 30, same as control panel.  I reset registry setting to 80.  It didnt do any thing.(same speed)

[senna]

I think your stuck with the background programm if IL2 wont allow key repeats for trim. With F22 and probably Cougars, they can  be program right around this and force a key hold with a single key press --> send that to the game software. Not sure what stick you have.

Ive had this F22/TQS since 1997

[easymo]

Can you explain why in IL-2 for example, you can pull the trigger, and it will keep fireing until you let go?  A button press is a button press.