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Offline Wotan

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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2002, 12:58:57 PM »
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I want to know what the best settings are for every plane to obtain maximum distance covered.


Sounds like you need to get to testing if you plan expect to get the information done in the next year :)

Seriously it would be very time consuming to test even a few planes that all most folks will do is speculate.

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2002, 01:45:31 PM »
If you want economy find out the factual cruise speed for your ride and use it, but as a rule that will be too slow for most people.
If all you want is to cut back on fuel used while keeping fast thats a different story, Funked could well be correct if all your gonna do is reduce rpm BUT keep map at max.

In that case i would go for a map reduction over rpm, if you check my link below you will see at 12000 ft reducing rpm to minimum and keeping map high is the worst result possible for economy.

Have some excel stuff that i ran up for the F6F-5 but the result is that engine Map and rpm both have an effect on fuel economy when in cruise mode.

Heres a rough version,

www.cavalier.cwc.net/dlfiles/f6f5fuel.htm

Aim was to use the F6F-5's recommended cruise speed and see if a strike was feasible for a scenario we were involved with.
NOTE the scenario ran a 1.5 burn rate but the results are still valid for the purpose of showing the huge differences involved at different settings.

Check the values for 12000 ft, rpm was altered for each run and map was adjusted to maintain the IAS of 168.
This was a fully loaded F6F-5 2 1kg bombs + Roks.
The 100% fuel readings relate to the wing tanks, aux was burned off at that point.

It also proves fuel efficiency is better at 12000ft than 6000ft if you compare at 12000ft it covers less distance in the early stages per fuel % used while climbing, but once at cruise altitude it soon recovers.

Not shown here is the fact that its much more fuel efficient to do the climbout on wep than at Mil or any other reduced map.
The longer time spent in the cruise mode by getting up there faster is more important than trying to climb on any reduced map and taking longer to achieve the cruise alt.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2002, 01:37:16 PM by 214thCavalier »

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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2002, 01:48:07 PM »
hitech wrote once that it does not have an effect - i will try to find that.

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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2002, 03:27:07 PM »
found it (got busy at work and almost forgot I promised to find it)

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Originally posted by hitech
No difference in AH.

In real life there might be a very very small  drag difference , would tend to be less drag with trim tab centered in the control surface and holding the stick.


http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55570


Search was made much harder as the serch function will only look for words with 5 letters or more - so a search for "RPM" was not possible.

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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2002, 05:04:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Turbot
found it (got busy at work and almost forgot I promised to find it)

 

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55570


Search was made much harder as the serch function will only look for words with 5 letters or more - so a search for "RPM" was not possible.


I'm pretty sure Hitech was only answering the question about drag induced by the trim tabs, not fuel economy of lower RPM settings.

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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2002, 05:20:31 PM »
AFAIK nobody has collected any data which contradict my findings (which Dinger sums up nicely).  There are some who verbally contradict my findings, but their data do not support their verbal arguments.

Keep in mind that all of my testing is about a year old and I did not test every plane in the set.  So there is the possibility that HTC have improved the model or that there are planes with good models that I don't know about.

So the best way to answer this question for a particular aircraft is to check it yourself, using the test methodology in Dinger's post.  Fly two test conditions at the same airspeed.  One with max RPM and one with reduced RPM.  If you get more miles per gallon with the latter setting, my name ain't Nathan Arizona.
(Unless you're in a Mustang)
« Last Edit: November 20, 2002, 05:28:05 PM by funkedup »

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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2002, 05:38:40 PM »
ok, expect results in about a year......


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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2002, 05:44:04 PM »
Note:  
I just looked at 214th's data and it may contradict my findings.  It looks like he has three tests at a 12,000 foot, 168 mph cruise, with identical climb profiles, and the 1500 rpm cruise setting gives better range than the 950 rpm or 2000 rpm settings.  He didn't test it at maximum RPM at that altitude though, so I am not certain that it contradicts my rule of thumb about RPM.  But it looks like it probably would.  So probably the F6F must be considered along with the P-51 as part of the group of planes for which RPM reduction has benefits.

So the answer remains - test it yourself if you want to be sure.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2002, 05:48:41 PM by funkedup »

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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2002, 06:00:10 PM »
I tried the real life optimal cruise settings for the f4u1d (1350rpm, 29" manifold) at 15,000ft and the plane fell out of the sky at approx. 750fpm .

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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2002, 06:04:11 PM »
Yeah I have had very little luck matching AH performance to real world cruise charts.  Even the Mustangs are well off the "book" numbers.

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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2002, 07:10:44 PM »
Was a long time ago i did that and pretty sure i tested it in every configuration just never put that particular data into excel as it was a looong way away from what i wanted to achieve.
I will check tomorrow see if i still have it.

Nope dumped it all after getting the data i wanted.

Samm at those F4U-1 settings does the aircraft achieve the cruise speed recommended or not ?
If it does achieve the speed then that suggests not enough lift is being produced, but thats another story.

Anyway Swoop ya cloggie this really belongs in the aircraft thread ;)

Cleaned the data in the link above to show fuel used and mileage in graphs.

http://www.cavalier.cwc.net/dlfiles/f6f5fuel.htm
« Last Edit: November 21, 2002, 01:48:34 PM by 214thCavalier »

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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2002, 11:56:11 AM »
Just found this in 'Spitfire' - A complete fighting history by Alfred Price.

'In Aug 1942 the Air Tactics department at the Air Ministry issued the document which follows as a guide to Spitfire pilots on the optimum engine settings to use when flying over enemy territiory'...

I'm not going to type it all it's too long. The relevent information is this:

SPITFIRE VB AND C (MERLIN 45 AND 46): APPROXIMATE PETROL CONSUPTION FIGURES AT VARIOUS BOOST AND REV SETTINGS



* = FLY AT THESE SETTINGS

Interesting huh  :)

One final quote from that document:

Low revs and high boost will bring you safely back to roost.

Gatso
« Last Edit: November 22, 2002, 12:02:44 PM by gatso »