What the hell happened to NAFTA?

[narsus]

and Thrawn some of us here in the good ole USA, oppose NAFTA. I havent seen anything good come from NAFTA just loss of jobs here in the U.S. you have nothing to complain about move along..there is nothing to see here.

[Cobra]

Originally posted by Thrawn


"A little google search shows that canada's Trade with the US has netted them a 109 percent increase in 7 years. Their trade with the rest of the world went up 29 percent. "

What does this have to do with the price of rice in China, or wheat in Canada for that matter?

It is in response to your hyperbolic rambling  "Cripes, this is how the US treats its friends, allies, greatest trading partner?"

It means since NAFTA we have increased our trade with you by 109 percent, you socialist canuck whiner!!  

Cobra

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Cobra
It means since NAFTA we have increased our trade with you by 109 percent, you socialist canuck whiner!!  

Cobra

Ha!  The only socialism happening here is corporate socialism...you commies.


"and Thrawn some of us here in the good ole USA, oppose NAFTA. I havent seen anything good come from NAFTA just loss of jobs here in the U.S. you have nothing to complain about move along..there is nothing to see here."

So.  Some Canadians didn't agree with it either.  It doesn't changed the fact that the US government entered into a contract with the Canadian government.  So, some americans disagree with a treaty and it becomes null and void?  I don't think so.

[miko2d]

Krusher: US call centers can not compete with the low wages in Canada. I just read that Xerox is closing one of its North Texas call centers and moving the jobs to Ottawa.

 Customers want cheaper product, so the producers use all ways to reduce their costs - including sacking workers and replacing them with cheap foreign labor. How does it differ from sacking workers and replacing them with automation? It's supposed to free people for more productive work in the economy.

 America would probably not be so great if 70% of the population still worked in agriculture instead of 1-2%. Would it have made any difference if they had been replaced with shipments of Canadian grain rather than machinery at the same cost? None that I can see.

 miko

[AKDejaVu]

Thrawn, is your whole reaction being based on that one article?  If it is, I have to say you are over reacting.

When I went home Germantown way, I'd drive by thousands of acres of weat fields.  Since 2000, they have all ceased to grow wheat... and most were simply let go.

You might feel that Canadian farmers will be getting the short end of any decision being made, but it will come only after American farmers have gone under.

AKDejaVu

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Thrawn, is your whole reaction being based on that one article?  If it is, I have to say you are over reacting.

It isn't.

You might feel that Canadian farmers will be getting the short end of any decision being made, but it will come only after American farmers have gone under.

AKDejaVu

Nah, they're going to take a hit the second the tariff is put into effect.

[ygsmilo]

Thawn there is alot more to this than the current situation.  Many of these issues have been brewing for years.  The CWB has had an unfair trade advanatage for years when it comes to trading wheat.  Much of it goes back to the fact that they subsidise the rail freight from thier interior points that go to the west coast based on the rates that were in effect in 1860's.
Dont ask me to go post a reference because I dont have the time.   All I know is that the CWB can ship rail wheat cheaper out of Alberta to Mexico than I can out of Kansas,  at least that is how it seems when you look at the flat price offers on wheat today into those markets.  Now do the producers benifit from this is a good question.  With the currency spread between the US and Canada it is a good thing for the Canadians.  The AWB has similar issues.  

The Fact is all counties today heavily subsidise Agriculture.  Even the Russians are currently buying wheat from their producers in order to shore up prices.  The FSU countries have had a good series of wheat crops and those crops are cash commodities and they have been setting the world prices for the last year or so.  The price of wheat out of the Black Sea has been 20 to 70 dollars a ton cheaper than US or Canadian origin.  The lack of fobing capacity in the Black Sea has been the only thing has kept them from taking a bigger world market share.  This trend will continue as long as they have good crops.  It is very bearish US and Canadian Agriculture in the long term.  Rambling,,, back to work.

[Thrawn]

Milo, if the CWB has had an unfair trade advantage then why did it passed serveral US audits and a NAFTA dispute settlement panal already?  

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Thrawn
 They've investigate it 9 times and found it completely above board every time.  

I guess the tenth time is the charm. You shouldn't have started cheating, especially since you knew we were keeping a close eye on you.

The US has threaten to bring Canada to the WTO and we've said, Bring it.  

If I understand it correctly, that would be in line with the dispute settlement provisions of NAFTA.

Can anyone think of another country that agrees to a treaty, then does every thing it can to circumvent it, until the last possible second?  That's right, IRAQ baby.  The US is like IRAQ!

Except that the US is not in violation of NAFTA

-Sik

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Sikboy
Except that the US is not in violation of NAFTA

-Sik

Sure it is.

"U.S. TAXPAYERS SUED
FOR
NAFTA VIOLATIONS
AND
YOU MAY HAVE TO PAY THE BILL!"

http://www.fairtradewatch.org/nafta/loewengroup.html

DO NOT diddly WITH OUR FUNERAL DIRECTORS!  

[SOB]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Michael Bolton.

LOL...I'll shut up now.


SOB

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Sure it is.

From the Article:

 The lawsuit alleges that the company was not treated fairly according to the standards of NAFTA, even though it was treated fairly under the laws of this country and was treated the same as a U.S. based company would have been treated.

Those are insteresting Allegations to be sure, but they are not proof of any kind. Unless the diposition of this case has changed since the writing of this article.

-Sik

[Thrawn]

Aw crap, I don't even know when the article was written.  I'm running out of steam here.  Needless to say, I'm pretty ticked off that US government is trying to screw us again, and I wish they would quit it.


That being said, Kusher, do you have a number for Xerox?

[ygsmilo]

Thrawn

Nothing in this business is ever black and white.  Except the contracts that you sign.  ( Well except for the contracts that the Chinese sign with invisible ink, but thats another story. )

[lazs2]

canada is a country?
lazs