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Offline rogwar

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« on: November 20, 2002, 02:39:09 PM »
This fact very often irritates the hell out of me. I have also had other Americans embarrass me at times during international travel and relations by demonstrating their ignorance of other cultures and countries. Please make sure your kids learn geography.

While this news report is mainly about young people, it’s surprising how many adults are complete morons with regards to geography and world affairs. We have a worldwide reputation for being geographical idiots.


Survey: Young Lack Geography Skills
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By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

Ask young people to pick out Iraq on a map of the Middle East, and only 13 percent can locate it — despite a barrage of headlines and broadcast reports about a possible war against Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

Same goes for Israel or Iran, according to a National Geographic (news - web sites) study that finds there has been little to no improvement in students' knowledge of geography since 1988.

The society survey released Wednesday found that only about one in seven of Americans between the age of 18 and 24, the prime age for military warriors, could find Iraq. The score was the same for Iran, an Iraqi neighbor.

Although the majority, 58 percent, of the young Americans surveyed knew that the Taliban and al-Qaida were based in Afghanistan (news - web sites), only 17 percent could find that country on a world map. A U.S.-led force attacked the Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan in October 2001, and President Bush (news - web sites) has said he is prepared to use force to rid Iraq of any chemical, nuclear or biological weapons programs.

The survey asked 56 geographic and current events questions of young people in nine countries and scored the results with traditional grades. The surveyed Americans got a "D," with an average of 23 correct answers. Mexico ranked last with an average score of 21, just three points from a failing grade.

Topping the scoring was Sweden, with an average of 40, followed by Germany and Italy, each with 38. None of the countries got an "A," which required average scores of 42 correct answers or better on the 56 questions.

"If our young people can't find places on a map and lack awareness of current events, how can they understand the world's cultural, economic and natural resource issues that confront us?" John Fahey, president of the National Geographic Society, said in a statement.

National Geographic is convening an international panel of policy makers and business and media leaders to find ways to improve geographic education and to encourage interest in world affairs, the society said.

Other findings from the survey:

_Thirty-four percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The "Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern South Pacific.

_When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the nation's third most populous state.

_On a world map, Americans could find on average only seven of 16 countries in the quiz. Only 89 percent of the Americans surveyed could find their own country on the map.

_In the world map test, Swedes could find an average of 13 of the 16 countries. Germans and Italians were next, with an average of 12 each.

_Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate on the map the Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in 10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean.

_Although 81 percent of the surveyed Americans knew that the Middle East is the Earth's largest oil exporter, only 24 percent could find Saudi Arabia on the map.

The international survey was conducted for the National Geographic by RoperASW. The results are based on face-to-face interviews with at least 300 men and women aged 18 to 24 in Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, Britain and the United States.

The questionnaires were in the local language, but the content was universally the same.

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2002, 02:55:44 PM »
Is that picture from Rio?  I love South Africa! :)

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2002, 03:27:35 PM »
LOL Rip.

Many times when asked I will tell Americans I am from Bermuda.  About 80% of the time theythen ask,

"What State is that in?":rolleyes:
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2002, 03:27:38 PM »
South Africa...lol

Yep it's from Sugarloaf in Rio. I took it a 2 weeks ago. It's a lot of fun to stand near the glass part as it starts to go down. It's rather exciting. This was my 20th visit to Rio.

I have to go back to Brazil the 2nd of December and am taking another week off in Rio.

I used a mileage ticket to send a lifelong friend of mine a ticket to Rio to hook up with me for a week of vacation in Rio. He is still there! lol...moved in with a really hot brazilian girl.

Usually I don't like to record certain things but he took a picture without my knowledge of me putting suntan oil all over this brasilera that was wearing one of those famous thong bikinis. I had started a conversation with her in Portuguese and 10 minutes later I'm greasing down her rumpus. Believe me when I tell you they have the nicest rears I have ever seen in the world.

Hopefully I can get possession of the photos and negatives when I return to Brazil in 2 weeks.

We were in Impanema as well! Not in Copacabana where some girls may be part-timers so to speak.

It made up for sweating to death in the Amazon region the week prior. I was looking for a photo but it must be at home of yours truly riding a barge up the Amazon. I like to go to Brazil but if I don't go back there, it will be just fine. I have been in Amazonas enough in my life.

I like Rio so much I bought an apartment there for the future.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2002, 03:30:19 PM »
I once dated a woman who couldn't find Japan on the world map in my room.  The best part though, is that about 6 years later, she graduated from Cal Berkeley! (I wonder if she could find it today?)

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2002, 04:11:25 PM »
It's the same all over the world.

At the moment, over here the BBC is tryng to find out who is the Greatest Briton of all time via public vote after a series of programs on each candidate. So far, some of the choices are:

Winston Churchill - enough said
Elizabeth I - turned Britain from a small, threatened island into a powerful nation and kicked off the development of an empire
Brunel - master engineer, probably the greatest of all time
Oliver Cromwell - reformed parliament into a more democratic institution
Horatio Nelson - probably the greatest naval tactician the world has ever seen
Isaac Newton - huge contributor to physics
Shakespeare - greatest playright the world has ever see
Darwin - gave us evolution
John Lennon - made a few decent songs

and...

...Diana, Pricess of Wales :rolleyes:

I mean - what did she ever achieve, what did she contribute?

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2002, 04:14:17 PM »
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...Diana, Pricess of Wales :rolleyes:

I mean - what did she ever achieve, what did she contribute?


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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2002, 04:51:17 PM »
Well geographically speaking...

If Canada is a great big green hat on top of the US, what does that make Mexico?

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2002, 05:05:51 PM »
Ownage!

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2002, 06:14:11 PM »
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I used a mileage ticket to send a lifelong friend of mine a ticket to Rio to hook up with me for a week of vacation in Rio. He is still there! lol...moved in with a really hot brazilian girl.


Please?  :cool:

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2002, 06:55:16 PM »
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Please?  :cool:


I am a bit worried about him actually. He was taken aback by the extreme concentration of beautiful, friendly women.

We were joking with each other out on Impanema beach that if one even talked to a girl that looked like her in the states, she would call security. His lady friend was posing in her new bikini for pictures he was taking while I was putting sun tan lotion all over this chick named Claudia.

I had tried to describe Rio to him in advance but he just could not quite get the concept down. During this moment on the beach he said, "Now I understand".

Luckily he is pretty well off financially and has his own investments and real estate. Otherwise, I would get a few of my fellow mongers down there and have an intervention....lol.

I highly recommend Rio as a male travel destination, however it's very important that you learn some Portuguese, be an astute traveler, and do plenty of research in advance.

Here is the pic of me sweating it out on a car carrying barge heading up the amazon from Manaus 3 weeks ago. I like hot weather but that humidity is a killer. I lost 5lbs there that luckily I've not gotten back.

P.S. I got him a Delta ticket in business class for 75K miles. Now I only have 25K left on Delta. I mainly fly AA where I have a balance of 653K miles. Last year I flew about 120K actual air miles and this year because of cutbacks I'll just break 100K, enough to retain Executive Platinum status thankfully.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2002, 07:07:39 PM »
Conversation with a 40 year old waitress at 2am in Texas :

- Hey sweety, you have a cute accent, where are you from?

- France

- Oh ... next to Hawaii?

- Hum ... the other ocean.:D

From personal experience, Pre-bachelor education is USA is scary. A 15 year old in Europe so much literate in world history/geaography/science/literature than a US 15 year old. Later on, US catch up, but they still lack of "general culture" even though very sharp "in their field".

It's not a free American bashing (favorite European national sport), it's my personal observation for 5 years around US American system.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2002, 07:11:35 PM »
If you really want to teach kids about geography, teach Ham Radio classes in the schools. Talking and learning about other radio operators, worldwide, is a true interactive activity. I have my world map, US map and local maps with info and QSL cards about each location. Heck, I have often used the MIR space station as my personnal repeater point for VHF packet radio on my old C-64 computer (before re-entry of MIR). It’s a great hobby!

Think about it! Plus, you get the added bonus of teaching basic electronics, orbits and weather info to enthused students.  :)

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2002, 07:18:08 PM »
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy

It's not a free American bashing (favorite European national sport), it's my personal observation for 5 years around US American system.


It is certainly legitimate criticism. I was born in NW Arkansas of all places and left High School with a mediocre knowledge of the world. In my senior year I was a teacher's helper (for an excellent teacher) in a geography class thankfully. I learned more there regarding world affairs than in any other class I had ever taken on the subject.

In starting the thread I wanted to express how ignorant typical Americans are regarding geography and world affairs. I believe it is very slowly improving but we have a lot more to learn, as well as teach our children.

There is nothing wrong with being ignorant as to certain subjects. However, the problem can be best expressed by that Bible verse something to the effect, "Professing to be wise, they became fools."

Added comment: Excellect idea Ozark. HAM helped me as well back in school. Me and my brother had a blast back in the early 80s with radios and interacting with people from other countries.
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