Author Topic: Windoze (Read 293 times)

AKcurly · « **on:** November 21, 2002, 12:44:33 PM »

In the beginning was the plan, and then the specification; And the plan was without form, and the specification was void. And darkness was on the faces of the implementors thereof; And they spake unto their leader, saying: "It is a crock of toejam, and smells as of a sewer." And the leader took pity on them, and spoke to the project leader: "It is a crock of excrement, and none may abide the odor thereof." And the project leader spake unto his section head, saying: "It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none may abide it." The section head then hurried to his department manager, and informed him thus: "It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength." The department manager carried these words to his general manager, and spoke unto him saying: "It containeth that which aideth the growth of plants, and it is very strong." And so it was that the general manager rejoiced and delivered the good news unto the Vice President. "It promoteth growth, and it is very powerful." The Vice President rushed to the President's side, and joyously exclaimed: "This powerful new software product will promote the growth of the company!" And the President looked upon the product, and saw that it was very good.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28226.html

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vorticon · « **Reply #1 on:** November 21, 2002, 12:55:04 PM »

hmmm so unix is great IF your an admin for a lan...

Wlfgng · « **Reply #2 on:** November 21, 2002, 01:39:21 PM »

go Unix.. better yet,, go Linux

ergRTC · « **Reply #3 on:** November 21, 2002, 01:49:46 PM »

nice..

And in reference to the unix remark, sure, linux is not ready for mainstream (lack of software for gaming and the statistical packages I need to use for research). BUT just because there is nothing that can compete with MShafts market strength doesnt mean MS aint a pile of stinky toejam.

worst os ever.

AKcurly · « **Reply #4 on:** November 21, 2002, 02:16:14 PM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
nice..

And in reference to the unix remark, sure, linux is not ready for mainstream (lack of software for gaming and the statistical packages I need to use for research). BUT just because there is nothing that can compete with MShafts market strength doesnt mean MS aint a pile of stinky toejam.
worst os ever.

You may be right about the gaming community and Linux, but I don't think that's mainstream.

Concerning statistics packages, SAS runs on Linux. Man, what else do you want/need?

http://www.sas.com/subscriptions/tech/archive/2001_04_03.html

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ergRTC · « **Reply #5 on:** November 21, 2002, 02:31:33 PM »

Yeah I am a wuss. I like spss.

I try to spend more of my time thinking about ecology and less about programming sas.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #6 on:** November 21, 2002, 02:50:44 PM »

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just because there is nothing that can compete with MShafts market strength doesnt mean MS aint a pile of stinky toejam.

he shoots, he scores!

Innominate · « **Reply #7 on:** November 21, 2002, 02:58:40 PM »

First off, it's not a comparison of linux and windows. When microsoft bought it, hotmail ran on freebsd. They then spent untold amount of money converting it to win2000, and had plenty of problems doing it.

FreeBSD as a server is pretty much superior to linux in every possible way. It is lacking as a workstation, which is where linux is making a lot of progress in.

Anyways, the paper, which may or may not have come from microsoft does make many good points.

ergRTC · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2002, 03:42:27 PM »

Freebsd is good, but functionally linux and freebsd run about the same way. File system is generally alike.

I dunno, I have redhat 8 running on a pentium 133 with 64mgs of ram and has been running since I installed it. I use it as a webserver monitoring my cold fusion site (little hidden links which get logged on the little 133), and as an ssh service. The only beef I have with linux is many of the old bsd games like HUNT, Sail, and many others dont play well on linux.

OZkansas · « **Reply #9 on:** November 21, 2002, 03:50:55 PM »

Am currently struggleing to run Mandrake 8.2. There is so much to learn and it is taking me time to learn it. I am running a KDE desktop and there sure are alot of features that MS hasn't shown.
I hope to run AH on this OS in the near future, but it ain't easy like MS. This OS is very nice from my short experience. I am no geek so I think I will be a good test to see if an average guy can get this going:)

ergRTC · « **Reply #10 on:** November 21, 2002, 04:00:09 PM »

Any particular reason you are using mandrake? I experimented with some of the other distros for a while, but found RH to really be the best bet for a beginner. Particularly 8 now, I have been using it since 5.2 and after they lost linuxconf I was about to stop altogther. I have to say though, the new RH 8 with there custom (gnomish) desktop and tools is pretty darn nice. They also have fixed the firewall and it works nicely.

Only problems i have found is that you have to tell it to install lynx.

Innominate · « **Reply #11 on:** November 21, 2002, 04:04:42 PM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
The only beef I have with linux is many of the old bsd games like HUNT, Sail, and many others dont play well on linux.

GOD HUNT RULES!

Screw quake, CS, UT, etc, gimme a good ol game of hunt!

ergRTC · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2002, 04:46:18 PM »

I spent many a wasted day in front of a heathkit terminal staring at litte green !'s

That was truely a quality game. Almost massively multiplayer for its time. Unix was such a great system for college campuses. Then that crappy mac came along and ruined it all. No more talk, instant messaging, hunt or any of the other great stuff you could do. No floppies, everything was saved on the mainframe the way it should be. Print to a room of your choice. Ahh those were the good ol days of the mid to late 80's.

Funny how long it took for instant messaging to be nearly as useful again. Damn gui interface junkies.

whgates3 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2002, 12:06:10 AM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
...lack of software for gaming and the statistical packages I need to use for research...

all the good vid cards have 'nix driver - its the game developers that dont make 'nix versions (except squake) - - as far as stats go, you should look into IRAF - it does everything you need & a ton more you've never even heard of
http://iraf.noao.edu/iraf-homepage.html

AKcurly · « **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2002, 01:46:11 AM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
Any particular reason you are using mandrake? I experimented with some of the other distros for a while, but found RH to really be the best bet for a beginner. Particularly 8 now, I have been using it since 5.2 and after they lost linuxconf I was about to stop altogther.

I've been using linux since late 1993. If you are REALLY familiar with Linux, slackware is hard to beat.

RedHat sucks - the newest version always comes with the latest remote root hacks wide open.

Both Mandrake and SuSE are excellent. I've been using SuSE for 3 years and have no real complaints.

As a test of the latest SuSE (8.1), I dropped the bootable CD in 3 widely different boxes and stood back and watched. I had to click the mouse 3 times. It installed a reasonable selection of software for the general public; it sniffed out the dhcp server and set up networking. After 15 minutes or so, I had working systems.

On one system, I had a CW drive, a SCSI DVD-RAM, other SCSI devices (hard drive), USB devices (camera memory drive, joystick, laser wheel mouse), Nvidia video card, Sound Blaster Live sound card, and the ever present IDE devices. All were properly configured and working.

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