For Funked and his SubieDoo

[Gman]

I've seen average drivers pull 13.5-13.8 sec 1/4 in a stock LS1 F-body. I haven't seen a good driver run a stock one, but I'd bet 13 flats are possible. And I have seen a WS6 with a 125 wet shot pull an 11.6 on Nittos. I believe the Vortech adds about 150hp to stock...is that right Gman?

At the altitude I raced it at (3800 feet here in Calgary), the best stock run I ever saw an SS or WS6 pull was in the high 13's.  The average is well into the mid 14's.

My car, which sorry Lazs, I didn't list all the mods on, had an all time best of 12.4 here in town, and ran a 11.85 in the next Province east of me at an elavation of about 50 feet asl.

I have seen Mustang 4.6's with Supercharger/stage 3 NOS kit and other work done run in the 9's, and not just one or two, like 50 or 60 here in Calgary and at Race wars in Edmonton.

Most of the Chev 350 cu. SS's and RamAir's with superchargers and stage 1 or 2 kits will run in the high 11's and low 12's consistently, depending on tires, driver, and everything else done to the car.

I'm admittedly not the best or smartest racer out there, but I easily have the best reaction times out of the hole when I raced in my category. (I dunno why, but I attribute some of that to my other hobbies, being Pro-Paintball (retried now) and action pistol shooting, both of which requrie very fast reflexes).  If I had the inclination, which I don't now, I'd pursue racing further, but now I pretty much just watch and talk about it with other people on message boards.  I had a pile of fast cars in my day, from Rx7 R1's to Stealth Turbos, an early model Viper and my RamAir's and SS's.  Now I own a house (gee thanks wife), and take the bus :/ .

I really do like funked's car though, something about those little ricers with AWD that have always done it for me I guess.

I DO have some videos of my last GM car running in some heats, I'll upload em to my ftp and post them later tomorrow.

[funkedup]

Lazs, 14.6 would be one of the slowest WRXs I've ever heard of.  14.1 is more accurate for a manual sedan with the stock wheels/tires.  They actually run slower with the optional 17" wheels for some reason.
I have not made any mods to the motor and don't plan to.  But the MBC (manual boost controller) mod is pretty well documented.  Normally boost in the WRX is limited in 1st and 2nd gear in order to keep you from breaking things in the drivetrain.  MBC mod allows you to override the boost control, very similar to what ETO units did with Jugs.  So you get way more boost in 1st and 2nd which allows better starts (stock WRX will not break the tires loose, so you have to toast the clutch to get a good drag start), better acceleration once you are started, and you even get a little more boost in 3rd and 4th.  Many guys report 13's with this mod.  I'm sure if you go on that board and ask they will post time slips etc.  I will never do it because the car is already fast enough to get me in lots of trouble on the street, and if I wanted to go racing I would build a race car out of something cheaper which could hold a smallblock Chevy.

PS If they built an SS with IRS I probably would own one.  

[beet1e]

Lazs -

My el camino had to be built.. I had to make it. it also get's about the same milage as an suv even with the 6 speed... 8-15 maybe 16 if you can drive sensibly but no one can drive it sensibly... even beetle would go lawless in the damn thing.

LOL!  I often wonder why Americans bother with such powerful cars when the speed limits are generally much lower than in Europe, and are enforced. When I was in CA, the speed limit was 55mph!  55!!! LOL

I've never been prosecuted for speeding in the UK, but have been stopped twice - my charm worked. But in the US, I was stopped 4 times in about 18 months! The charm worked on two of those, and would have worked on another had I attended the courtroom. The offences were:

• 40 in a 25 area, Mt. Prospect,IL. There is a curve in the road on the way to the railway station. So the speed limit is reduced to 25 in case the driver cannot figure that he needs to slow down for the curve. Talk about nanny government. I was stopped for exceeding 25 in the 300 yards leading up to the curve.
• 60 in a 50 area, Chicago. My speedo was busted. I was driving an American car, and American cars are crap. Even the cop thought so. He told me to turn up in court and bring the speedo repair job sheet with me. Got away with that one too. The cop LOVED my accent, and said so. works every time!
• 64 in a 55 area - LOL!  - somewhere out near Quad Cities,IL on I-80 on the way to San Francisco (went right through Lazsland later on!) The cop was in an unmarked car, and was a dyed in the wool country boy. Cop let me go, but said he would arrest me if he saw me doing 64 again!
• 60 in a 50 area - eastbound on Oakland Bay Bridge (the bottom layer). Cop had his brights (main beam) on and was dazzling me so I couldn't see the car's top lights. He was a nice cop though. I had the choice of paying a $38 fine, or paying a $20 fine and attending a "Driver Rehab Course" Big f&^%$ing LOL to that! The cost of the gas geting to and from my "rehabilitation" would have exceeded the savings on the reduced fine, so I didn't go. Probably would have been a waste of time anyway.

If you really want to know how to drive, go to the motoring capital of the world - Germany. They make the best cars, have the best roads, and probably the best drivers. And no speed limit on the three lane autobahnen. The watchword here is MIRROR. When a Euro driver comes up behind you with his left indicator flashing, it means he wants to drive fast. And boy, do they mean it. I didn't find them aggressive though. I topped 140mph in my Golf VR6 and even at that speed had a Merc coupe come by at 150+. But the drivers are excellent, and always move back to the right to let faster traffic pass by. Indeed, alongside the autobahn, you will see hoardings depicting angry looking snails, which is captioned "Wo fahren zie den?" which means something like Where are you going then? Or for ***** sake, move over to the right if you're done overtaking.

California roads are good, but the surface used is often concrete, which is not as good as tarmac in wet conditions, and creates more tyre noise than tarmac.

By the way, Lazs. I had a dream last night that you posted to a thread without mentioning me. I still think your car would look better in RHD - here it is!

[lazs2]

gman... those numbers sound about right.   Certainly a far cry from 10 sec ss's tho... yeah the 5.0 class got way crazy.. can't believe the times those guys are running with drag radials..  even my chp car ran high 13's..

funked.. the station wagon wrx i seen in (i believe) road and track ran 14.6... why would you not do a $50 mod that didn't hurt drivability and added HP?   you did prove my point tho... the factory is afraid people will break stuff even with the stock turbo so they kill the boost in the lower gears... imagine adding 150hp.  My guess would be that most of the drivetrain is limited to about 225 ft lbs of torque but you tell me.

beetle... most of California is 70mph.   You won't get a ticket at 75-80 you won't get a ticket at 150 if they don't see you do it...  If you do go 150 tho you should have a car that doesn't waste time getting there...lets just say I like to go 0-70 in 5 or 6 seconds.   As for germany... I can't believe that you are not on a german board right now saving them from themselves... giving them the fighures from the "home office" (cracks me up just to write "home office") on how the autobaun is killing people and how lower speed limits in the UK have lowered the deathrate.   Also... weren't you the one who was all disapointed cause he couldn't burn the tires off his rental car?   When you come out I will show you how to burn the tires on the freeway.

thing is... all modified cars are a kick... hot showroom stockers are fun too but a lot of us can't resist tinkering..  I don't enjoy modern cars because I am a fuddy duddy... I have no interest in front wheel drive sideways motors and the sound they make.   it is doesn't do it for me... I don't want to work on em either..  I like the primitive stuff.   That is not to say that I don't appreciate the efforts of others.
lazs

[beet1e]

I have no interest in front wheel drive sideways motors and the sound they make. it is doesn't do it for me... I don't want to work on em either.. I like the primitive stuff.

Hehe, I know how you feel. A valid point of view. The VR6 was sideways motor, front drive - but the new one is 4WD with some sort of mechanism for splitting traction between front and back - and diagonally - gawd knows how it all works. I showed the engine to the guy who looks after the Beet1e, and he looked at it and said Hmm, not a lot you can do with that!.

Yeah, I know the speed limits went back up. In fact Nevada went up to 70mph the week before I made that epic trip. I think CO,AZ,UT,WY are all 75.

One Q about your muscle cars - do they have limited slip diff? I shall feel safer if you tell me YES.

[funkedup]

Lazs, adding an MBC voids the warranty so there is no way I am doing it before 60,000 miles.  And you got it, they reduce the boost to protect the drivetrain.  Put another way, the turbo is oversized at low speeds.  The car has too much traction, so even a 5k clutch dump won't break the tires loose.  The clutch is pretty good, so all that shock goes right into the driveline, and I have heard of guys fracturing gears at the strip.  The STi version of the WRX (not sold here) has about 300 hp and a more robust 6 speed tranny.  You can swap this out for the stock tranny pretty easily, and it won't break, but it's expensive.  And there are full race dogboxes available from several manufacturers, but again it's more money.

PS Stock tq is 217, STi is 253, Group N (what the dogboxes are stressed for) is something like 450-500.

PPS From reading experiences of guys who have campainged the car:  the weakest link for drag racing these things is the tranny.  For road racing it's the brakes (they don't fail but they cook the wheel bearings).  For rallying they seem to hold up pretty well though.

[funkedup]

PPS No sideways motor.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Unless you have a stick shift... modding a car is a waste of money.
-SW

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Unless you have a stick shift... modding a car is a waste of money.
-SW

I'd take that a step further, unless you're going to use that mod in competition, its a waste of money.  No one cares how much money you spent modding your car.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

True... and body kits are simply queer.
-SW

[funkedup]

Body kit purchases should be punishable by tar & feathering.

[beet1e]

Unless you have a stick shift... modding a car is a waste of money.

I never knew that so many Americans could drive a sti..   er, car with manual transmission. I took my US driving test in IL in the automatic Chev Camaro Type LT that's I'd bought, but found that the license covered me to drive manual. Here, if you take a test on an automatic, you can drive only automatic and must resit another test on a manual car if you want to drive one.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by beet1e
I never knew that so many Americans could drive a sti..   er, car with manual transmission. I took my US driving test in IL in the automatic Chev Camaro Type LT that's I'd bought, but found that the license covered me to drive manual. Here, if you take a test on an automatic, you can drive only automatic and must resit another test on a manual car if you want to drive one.

That should prove to you how backwards your country is.

I can drive either fine, in fact, I learned on an automatic. I got myself a stick, learned how to work it in 15 minutes, and been driving it since.

There's hardly any need for two licenses, so long as you have SOME coordination.
-SW

[lazs2]

funked.. wasn't implying that your car was a front only driver with sideways engine... My guess on the tranny is about right then... probly stressed for about 200-225 ft lbs of torque.. that means that if everything bites 100% then it will handle that amount of torque... for instance... the world class 5 sp in mustangs is supposed to handle about 300 ft lbs but... with all the tire slipage and a generous "or so" factor... they stay together under much worse circumstances.

beetle... both my cars are limited slip... I would not get to warm and fuzzy about that to because it can actually be a detriment to handling... It is simply a traction aid.  and.... both tires smoking is just more estheticly pleasing.
lazs

[beet1e]

That should prove to you how backwards your country is.

Not as backwards as Ford of America. Their cars would jump out of Park and slip into reverse if the driver slammed the door - LOL! I saw in demonstrated on TV (between commercials). Yep, those Fords were fond of going backwards.

The British licensing was not really a factor, since the vast majority of cars are manual. But \/\/ulfe,  can you drive a crash gearbox, and do you know about heel and toe double declutching? How things have changed. My Golf even has synchromesh on Reverse! (done for the American market lol!) That's probably why gear changing was an important part of the test. Before 1937, we did not have a driving test. My father got his licence in 1931, and never had to take a test.