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« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2002, 04:16:19 AM »
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One of the last bastions of absolute authority (when airborne) is the left seat of an airliner.
Yep, that's why I always ask for one of the A seats - whether it's 14A, 35A or 63A. That way I can bark orders at the flight attendant and get my meal served first.

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« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2002, 05:12:06 AM »
A monkey could be trained to shoot a firearm safely, so I see no problem with arming pilots.  Firearm technology isnt some magical science, its been around for about 700 years.  Just give the pilots permission to shoot all terrorist and democrats, and the U.S. will be a much safer place.

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« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2002, 07:31:11 AM »
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A monkey could be trained to shoot a firearm safely, so I see no problem with arming pilots.  Firearm technology isnt some magical science, its been around for about 700 years.  Just give the pilots permission to shoot all terrorist and democrats, and the U.S. will be a much safer place.


There is a difference between shooting "safely" and "accurately." I don't think you'd want a pilot "spraying and praying" in a pressurized aircraft loaded with passengers.

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« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2002, 07:58:17 AM »
"I hope a nuclear explosion or chemical/biological attack in one of our major cities is not the final event required to wake us up. "

( Hmm cross-bbs posting?:) I can do that too :) )

That is by far the best argument for arming the pilots..I've changed my mind. It's a great idea!!.

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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2002, 09:16:12 AM »
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Yep, that's why I always ask for one of the A seats - whether it's 14A, 35A or 63A. That way I can bark orders at the flight attendant and get my meal served first.


Not surprising to see that your understanding of exercising absolute authority on an airliner is that it allows you to bark orders for food and drink at a flight attendant.

Please try that on one of my flights sometime.

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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2002, 10:44:14 AM »
- never need to, Toad. I use charm, P&T. :)  Besides, I don't know your airline and if it's a US airline, the food's probably crap anyway, and the situation would not arise.

BTW, Mr. Toad, Tomato is not American. :)  Never assume, just keep guessing!
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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2002, 10:45:50 AM »
"barking orders" is considered charm in your neck of the woods?
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"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something

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« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2002, 11:30:04 AM »
"It's been interesting to read all the different points of view about arming our airline pilots. Some are well thought-out ,realistic opinions, but others make me wonder what planet some of these guys are from. I wonder what other kind of attack on us will make us understand the kind of world we live in. It seems obvious that the WTC attack has not fully focused our attention. I hope a nuclear explosion or chemical/biological attack in one of our major cities is not the final event required to wake us up. "

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I was not trying to suggest that arming pilots would somehow magically cure the above threat.  I am just amazed that the events of the last 2 years have not yet fully focused our attention and resources enough to effectively deal with these threats.  Arming our pilots is just one part of the big job ahead that will be required to properly defend ourselves.

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« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2002, 11:41:05 AM »
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Please try that on one of my flights sometime.


You are a flight attendant Toad?

You seemed so manly at the Con?;)
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« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2002, 02:03:18 PM »
Even more stereotypical than I could have imagined then.
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« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2002, 02:22:36 PM »
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Even more stereotypical than I could have imagined then.


Just teasing bud....no offense meant.
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« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2002, 02:35:56 PM »
Sorry, Curval. That quoted post was for Beetle. Should have labeled it.

No offense. After all, there's some pretty darn manly F/A's.  Some of 'em are even actually men!

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« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2002, 11:30:15 AM »
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Even more stereotypical than I could have imagined then.
Not sure what this refers to. :confused:

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« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2002, 02:16:02 PM »
Tomato and her views on gun control.

You might have to go back to the thread that originated your own comment to put it all in order.
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« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2002, 06:13:06 PM »
IMO, im already trusting the 2 blokes in the 'pit to not fuk flying the plane up and kill me.

I see no problem whatsoever to give them a machine gun (yes, i dont give a damn). If someone tries to gain entry to the cockpit it means they want the plane intact for some reason.

If they want to blow it up in the air, not even rambo himself will stop them.

That the bastards will start killing passengers to gain entry? Pfe, chances are they will kill everyone in the 1st place. A pilot can depressurize the cabin or do manouvers to knock them out (if turbulence can make people break their necks if they not strapped to their seats, what will a severe one pilot-induced do to some idjit standing up in the cabin?).

Give 'em the guns I say, Taking off and landing with the crew+passenger's are their responability already just by flying the thing, they should be given the tools to live up to that responsability. I would NOT expect a pilot to come out with a gun and "save" me, but I sure dont want him to give the plane to some nutbag so he can kill countless other people.