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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2002, 10:34:36 AM »
LOL...

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2002, 12:20:19 PM »
you can probly shoot a suspected terrorist if you are in fear for your life and can prove it.
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"Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday February 23, 2001
The Guardian

England and Wales have one of the worst crime records in the industrialised world - even worse than America - according to the findings of an official survey published yesterday which compares the experience of victims across 17 countries.
The study, coordinated by the Dutch ministry of justice, shows England and Wales at the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime. These countries face an annual rate of 58 crimes for every 100 inhabitants.

The findings, based on interviews with 35,000 people about their experience of crime across the 17 countries, were carried out last year. They are a blow to Labour's record and underline the challenge facing Tony Blair when he marks the launch of Labour's 10-year anti-crime plan next Monday by becoming the first serving prime minister to visit a prison.

The 2000 International Crime Victimisation survey shows that the falls in crime recorded since the mid-1990s in England and Wales are part of a general pattern of falling crime across the industrialised world but, unlike America, crime levels in England and Wales are still higher than they were at the end of the 1980s. When the survey was last carried out in 1996, England and Wales also topped the league table with 61 offences per 100 inhabitants.

The survey does show, however, that Britain has the best services when it comes to looking after the victims of crime, but it also shows we have a tougher approach to punishing criminals. Asked what should be done with a burglar convicted of stealing a colour television for a second time, more than 50% in England and Wales said he or she should be sent to prison for two years. Only 7% in Spain and 12% in France thought he or she should be jailed at all.

People were asked whether they had been victims of a range of 11 different offences in the previous 12 months, including violent and sexual assault, car crime, burglary and consumer fraud.

The survey also shows that Scotland, with 43 offences per 100 inhabitants, ranks joint fifth alongside America in the international crime league behind England, Australia, the Netherlands and Sweden. Northern Ireland has the second best crime record of the countries surveyed, with 24 offences per 100 inhabitants - the same rate as Switzerland and only just above Japan where the biggest crime problem is bicycle thefts. The detailed findings of the ICVS survey showthat England and Wales are top of the international league for car thefts with 2.6% of all car owners suffering the loss of their vehicle in the previous 12 months. In other sorts of car crime, England was second only to Poland.

Australia and then England and Wales had the highest burglary rates and rates for violent crimes such as robbery, assault and sexual assault "

the result of the backward thinking of the home office is the brutalizing of its helpless citizens... helpless to defend themselves against the strong and the vicious... a trajic example of "form over substance"... "let them eat cake" The lawless run england... In America... 3,000,000 such crimes are prevented by firearms... citizens have freedom and dignity one good thing about englands crime rate.... they have, obviously by necessity, learned to care for the traumatized, humiliated and injured victims...guess that's something

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2002, 06:50:46 AM »
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I know there are others that claim to have made flights before them, but none could prove it, which is what matters.

I could say my great gradfather built a steam powered plane in 1880 and flew it on his farm. "Witnesses said they saw the steam powered machine lift into the air and fly for about 50 yards."

See how easy it is to claim?


Apply your own logic to the Wright brothers. See how easy it is to claim?

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The Wright brothers made the first proven powered flight in 1903.


Check this out. Adam Hart Davies is an Historian of Science (and Scientist to boot):

"When I ask people "Who invented the aeroplane?" they usually say "The Wright Brothers." In fact the world's first powered flight took place not in America in 1903, but at Chard in Somerset 55 years earlier, and the man who made it happen was John Stringfellow.

John Stringfellow was born in Attercliffe, Sheffield, on 6 December 1799. When he was a teenager his family moved to Nottingham, and he went into the lace industry. He became a Bobbin and Carriage Maker, and later, when the Luddites began to make trouble, moved south to work in one of the two lace mills in Chard. He developed amazing skill at making steam engines, and in about 1842 he teamed up with William Samuel Henson, who was interested in aeronautics, and had already taken out a patent for a plane. Henson had tremendous ambitions. He not only applied for a patent on a 'Locomotive Apparatus for Air, Land, and Water' but also tried to set up an airline! He made a model of the plane in the patent, and tried to fly it in London, but it was a complete flop - literally.

So Henson came back to Chard, and together they worked on a new plane with a 20-foot wingspan and a wonderful Stringfellow steam engine. But it took two years to build, and by 1845 Henson was losing his enthusiasm. He moved back to London, got married, emigrated to America, and patented a new safety razor.

Stringfellow carried on alone, and when the 20-footer was finished he got workmen to carry it up to Bala Down, located about 1/2 mile west of Chard, for testing. He was so upset by people making fun of his work that he did this secretly, at night, and tried the first flight under cover of darkness. But the silk fabric, wet with dew, drooped and became so heavy the machine could not fly. He tried by day, every day for seven weeks, and finally had to admit defeat.

Then, for the first time, Stringfellow designed his own aircraft from scratch. The wingspan was 10 feet. The spars were of wood and the fabric of silk. The steam engine and boiler, with paper-thin copper walls, was carried in the gondola below the fuselage. The total weight of the craft was probably about 9lbs. By the summer of 1848 she was ready to fly.

The two propellers were huge, with helical pitch, and rotated in opposite directions to give lateral stability. His aircraft had no vertical fin, and he knew it would tend to veer left or right at the slightest disturbance. That is why he flew it inside one of the lace mills, where the air was still.

The space was so narrow - about 17 feet between the wall and the central row of pillars - that he had little room for error; so he launched the aircraft by allowing it to run for ten yards down a wire. This ensured that the machine started flying in exactly the right direction, and at a reasonable speed.

According to his son Fred's eyewitness account, the first flight was a bit of a disaster. The aircraft rose sharply from the end of the wire, stalled, and dropped back on its tail, which broke. But a later flight was a spectacular success; the plane flew for more than 10 yards before punching a hole in the canvas screen at the end of the mill.

In January 1995 we tried to replicate that first powered flight. Model aircraft specialist Charlie Newman built a full-scale model of Stringfellow's aircraft, and we went back to the same mill to try it out. To find out what happened, watch 'Local Heroes' on BBC2 in October.

© Adam Hart-Davis 1995"

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2002, 10:34:35 AM »
I would call that "crashing" more than "powered flight"... tripping over my porch rail and flapping my arms for balance is not "flying".

the wright brothers plane flew long enough that it was obvious that the power of the engine was keeping it aloft..   The steam engine powered plane... seems the engine hastened the crash rather than prolonging flight.
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2002, 10:42:35 AM »
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
Only last year some guy called Gore was saying he invented the World Wide Web... ;)


So, are you saying that the Internet was not created in the US by Americans?
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2002, 11:15:49 AM »
Yup no toejam Lazs. A few years ago I slipped off a 10 foot ladder. I flapped as hard as a could I guess I had about 10 feet of powered flight lol..........

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2002, 02:12:25 PM »


Were they treated as POWs under the geneva convention or as civilians - and got to talk to their layers?

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2002, 08:59:40 AM »
well... say what ya want about liberals being ineffectual, dishonest little gay whiner  weinies ... ya gotta admit.. they have the best cartoon writers, comedians and actors..   things would get a lot better in the world if we sent over some liberals to entertain their way outta some of the worlds problems.
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2002, 02:55:38 PM »
send Cleavon Little! (the sherriff in Blazing Saddles)

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2002, 03:07:49 PM »
Heh, tell it to Jane Fonda.

Wheres that precision guided bomb on my left wing?