Author Topic: Stuka Bomb load and the reality of AH. (Read 939 times)

brady · « **on:** November 29, 2002, 04:49:06 AM »

To start off HiTech said he was going to fix this in an upcoming patch, and couple months ago.

Curently a 500KG bomb only weighs 1000 pounds in AH a 250KG bomb weights 500 pounds and a 50KG bomb weighs 100 pounds.

Wotan · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2002, 05:47:37 AM »

Brady is correct ................

hazed- · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2002, 09:23:37 AM »

does that mean they hit with the same damage as 1000lbers at the moment?

or does it mean we have been flying with a lighter bomb but more effective one all this time?

hmm seems we will lose some performance when the true weights are added.or maybe we will also get the extra effect?

and how does this effect the climb rates compared to published figures?
if we have 1000lbs instead of 1100lbs but still climb like the real aircraft doesnt that mean that when HTC adds the extra 100lbs we will have worse rates of climb than the real planes?

looks like someones gonna be testing it all over again hehe

frank3 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2002, 12:52:12 PM »

you have the Stuka in the Main Arena?

Lizard3 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2002, 02:44:56 PM »

Soon Frank, soon.

brady · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2002, 05:42:48 PM »

It means That the 500Kg bombs has the same effect in the game as the 1000pound bomb as far as AH is concerened they are the same bomb they just have a different lable, HiTech himself confirmed this.

In the initial post that I brought this up in(actualy their were several) He said that he would fix the issue by giving the proper effect to the 500KG bomb, in other words making in like droping a 1000 and 100 pound bomb in terms of dammage/blast effect.

The plane this realy hurts is the 110g, with it's standard load it should have sufficient bomb weight to kill a hanger, but do to the AH Metric handicap it does not. Similary all Metric planes are being handicaped to some extent by this reduction in HE effect.

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2002, 06:30:11 PM »

I hope this is in the list of fixes when 1.11 is released.

hazed- · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2002, 06:58:14 PM »

that was kept quiet!

do you know if the weight of the bombs is correct in terms of their effect on aircraft performance?

if they are slowing the climb rates thats pretty bad news.

for the 110g that means 240lbs extra weight without the extra effect!

worse still the ju88 has 600lbs of weight that simply vanishes when you drop the bombs!

I hope they(500kg's or 50kgs's) are just made as 1000 and 100 lbers respectively and are only affecting performance as 1000's and 100's. If not thats a severe loss of HE.

brady · « **Reply #8 on:** November 29, 2002, 11:31:03 PM »

My post that I am basing this on was only directed toward the HE effect's not preformance issues, I suspect that since as far as AH is concerned a 500KG bomb only weighs 1000 pounds that we have been packing a lighter load all this time, but that is speculation on my part. What I know is that in terms of destructive effect Metric bombs are less efective than they should be. Personaly I would prefer to use the 110G for atack mishions, but the P38 is capable of killing the hanger's by it's self with ease, the 110G is handicaped in this regard and as a result not a competive rank platform.

whgates3 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2002, 02:28:26 AM »

add a squirt of 20mm & 30mm in the bombing dive & the hangar is gone, but that is a waste of precious ammo...

flakbait · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2002, 03:25:25 AM »

http://www.danshistory.com/ww2/bombs.shtml

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bombs.html

According to those two sources, the explosive difference goes both ways. A german SC 500 (1,102 lbs) bomb has 487 lbs of explosive filling. While the standard US 1,000 lbs bomb has 530 lbs of explosive. The difference between the two comes out to be 43 lbs in the US favor. Not much? A para-frag bomb dropped by B-25's weighed that amount, and 43 lbs of HE is enough to level your average appartment building. An SC 250 (551 lbs) bomb had 287 lbs of explosive, while the US 500 pounder had 262 lbs of explosive. Again a difference, but not a large one; 25 lbs in the german favor.

It goes back and forth as you check each bomb weight, with differences going from a little to fairly large. Get into the mongo weapons (one ton suckers and above) and they really go up there.

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illo · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2002, 04:52:37 AM »

More weight comes from added shrapnel effect. HE isnt only thing that counts in bombs. Metal around it wasnt for nothing.

Im sure SC500 had more effect than 1000lbs bomb. More pressure building due to thicker shell means shrapnel with higher velocities. More metal=more shrapnel.

Bombs are much like artillery rounds, not only HE load counts. You can have it full HE and you have just big blast without much effect. Atleast majority of casualties in WW2 came from artillery shrapnel.

brady · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2002, 06:23:39 PM »

Acording to the sorces on high such distinctions curently are not made in AH regarding bomb type and effect, nore are their any Nationality distinctions.

Bombs in AH are generic, weigh the same(metric virsuses pound), and dispite looking diferent are all exacly alike in their effect's.

Shoting ammo in the dive into the hanger is one way to do it, howeaver this exposes you to more fire from the ground since u nead to be lower when you pull out to aclomplish this. Also this is bad for rank strafing structures when in attack is bad for your hit percentage. This is also besides the point entirely, the 110G has the bombload to kill a hanger but do to the metric handicap it can not, This is the real point all metric bombs in AH are less efective than they should be do to this, they have a less efective killing radious, and a comelative lesing of the overal all weight of ordance can impact their abality to com[eat with Pound weapons, not on a bomb for bomb leval, but on a plane for plane type leval.

airspro · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2002, 07:24:16 PM »

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Also this is bad for rank strafing structures when in attack is bad for your hit percentage.

Why is this brady ?

brady · « **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2002, 01:04:54 AM »

Hit precentage goes down, when u fire at objects, howeaver it is countered by points for objects destroyed, so it is kinda a catch 22. A perfect Attack sortie for for rank would be (in a P 38) one hanger (two 2k bombs and 5 rockets), two field objects, ammo, fuell, ect ( 2 rockets each), and then as may kills as you can get, and a landing. Only using your guns aganst enemy targets. While the 110 would only be able to kill a hanger with it's ordance, the abality to do this and pull out at a reasionable height would greatly enhance it's surviabality, and thus it's attractivenns for this type of sortie.