How many here believe in evolution?

[Samm]

Originally posted by Hortlund
It must be frustrating to be you...

I dont know if its just me, but the feeling I get from you and all your posts is that you are in desperate need of something, be it faith, trust, love or something like that. I dont know exactly what it is with you, but your posts all cry out "please hug me, give me attention and love."

Rough childhood perhaps?

Ad hominem in debate will cause you to loose respect, dignity and credibility .

[Saurdaukar]

Wow, this thread is still going?

[Samm]

Originally posted by Hortlund

Actually it is the other way around. If everything comes from the same molecules, and then mutates and evolves with the same goals, and prerequesites for survival, we should have less different species than we have now.
 

Thats how randomness and geography play a part in it . Thats why we have llamas only in SA and camels only in africa, bison in NA and oxen in asia, marine iguanas in the gelapegos and tree iguanas in SA, etc. etc.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by whgates3
your experience wasn't like this:

"Hassan Ben Sabbah conditioned and organized a band of fearless political killers such as had never been seen before. His method of indoctrination was unique.vii He constructed a secret garden and furnished it with all the delights promised in the Koran…to the faithful when they reached paradise. The chosen were drugged, one or two at a time, and taken to this garden by night. When they woke up in the morningviii they were surrounded by beautiful and scantily clad houris [in Muslim belief, women who live with the blessed in paradise] who would minister to their every need and desire. After being allowed to savor this false — but pleasant and sensual — paradise for a day or so, they were again drugged before being taken back to awaken in their own squalid hovel or cave dwelling. To them, it was as if it had been a vivid dream. Ben Sabbah then sent for them, told them Allah had given them a preview of paradise, and surprised them by telling them exactly what each had been up to while in the secret garden. So successful was he in this method of conditioning and indoctrination that it was said he once astounded a visiting emir whom he wanted to impress with his power by sending for one of his men and ordering him to kill himself — which he immediately did. When an Assassin was sent out by ibn-al-Sabbah to carry out some violent death, the Assassin was just as dedicated. So convinced were the Assassins that they would be rewarded in paradise that they never hesitated to fulfill their missions of murder, even though this often meant their victims’ bodyguards would kill them immediately afterward."

was it?
just checkin'...

uh, no, and I don't care to post the details of such a personal experience here, but if you're really interested I can email.

[Hortlund]

I'll have to delay my cambrian explosion post, sorry MT. I left home for work at 5.30 am, spent the entire day in court with various low life wife beater trash and just got home at 8pm. blah blah blah excuses excuses...

I'll get that post up tomorrow.

[Creamo]

Im sure every "lowlife" deserved it Hort. Women never blow up and instigate anything.

Hang them you tool.

[myelo]

Hortlund,

I hope you are not going to argue that the rapid diversification of animal life seen in the fossil record from the Cambrian period was too fast to be consistent with evolution.

[whgates3]

i've long hoped that someone would find a fern cathedral just below the K/T boundry to explain the fern spike above

[Sikboy]

When I was a kid, I used to spend a week or two every other year with my relatives in Oaklahoma. One of these was my cousin John. John had some issues. One day, John deceided that it would be a good idea to take a can of raid and spray the gigantic hornet's nest in the back yard. So he knocked the hornet's nest down with a rock, and then sprayed it with raid. Then he was stung a bunch as he ran away from the very angry hornets.

Then, as now, I didn't really know what to make of it all, but I'm having some serious Deja Vu.

-Sik

[Charon]

All I need to know about evolution I learned from Jack Chick

Big Daddy

not to mention homosexuality

Doom Town

Interstate trucking

The Sissy

and another reason to avoid the malls this holiday season and shop online

Witness while you shop

Charon

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by myelo
Hortlund,

I hope you are not going to argue that the rapid diversification of animal life seen in the fossil record from the Cambrian period was too fast to be consistent with evolution.

LOL, dangit Myelo... I was hoping we might witness a self hangin.

[H. Godwineson]

The Assassins terrorized the Middle East for many years.  They extorted money from the Muslim kingdoms of the Middle East.  Over time they used this wealth to build castles to consolidate their holdings.  As their power grew, so did their arrogance.  Even the great Saladin, the powerful Egyptian warlord refused to challenge them directly.  Their leader was called the Old Man of the Mountain by outsiders.

They wrought their own destruction when they dared threaten the Mongol juggernaut that had already destroyed the empire of the Khwaresmian Turks and sacked Baghdad.  When the Mongols finished with them the Assassins had ceased to exist.

Shuckins

[2Slow]

Originally posted by Thrawn
What do you mean?  Only a complete imbecile wouldn't accept evolution as the most viable theory to explain were humans come from.


There that should be a good start.  

I must be one of the imbeciles.  Evolution is still a theory.  Show me a currently in progress example of evolution.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by 2Slow
I must be one of the imbeciles.  Evolution is still a theory.  Show me a currently in progress example of evolution.

Go look in the mirror.

Will you or did you have children?

How did you choose your mate? What attributes were important to you? Did you consciously pick someone who would give you children with improvements over yourself?

Now multiply all that by 100,000 generations. What kind of changes do you think could be achieved?

[streakeagle]

Originally posted by AKIron
No, by spiritual experience. It's one of things you probably won't believe without experiencing it either.

So you are telling me you would have come to know God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost and have found the path to eternal life all by yourself? It didn't take having a Bible and/or someone preaching it to you?

People who take strong drugs have spiritual experiences. So do shamans, Buddhists, and many others looked down upon by the oh-so arrogant Christians. Does that validate their beliefs too?

Religion is all about feeling good... but doing something because it feels good has never made it right.

I get tired of people who look down their nose at others because they have been "saved". I don't think any other major religions in the world are so arrogant as the ones based on the God of Abraham.

I have heard my own "Christian" grandmother tell me to my face that you can't be a good person if you don't believe in Jesus. So 2 or 3 billion or more are all evil? A lot of Christians need to read their Bibles and follow the example Jesus set. Then the rest of the world wouldn't have such a bad attitude toward them.