How many here believe in evolution?

[takeda]

ok, but how did the species get to A or B in the first place?

Uh? Walking there perhaps?


"A or B" are just groups of the same species that get separated, so they end up subjected to different evolutive processes, until they end up not beign able to breed with the other group, then you end up having two separated species.

For example, It wouldn't be so strange that someday, some particularly isolated race of dogs could end up  being unable to cross-breed with the other races. At that point, they would be no longer "proper dogs", you would have to get a new name for those

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by DadRabit
ok, but how did the species get to A or B in the first place?  

As Takeda says...primates can walk to different locations.  And as Takeda says, the important thing to note is that somehow they were cut off from each other.

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Obviously because God wanted it that way - makes much more sence than any of that smarty-pants science talk.

Boot to the head!

Are you anxiously waiting for Children of Dune on SciFi Channel?

BTW, are you the same Mike/Saurdaukar that was posting on M3forums about 6 months ago looking for an e36m3?  Did you find one?

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Originally posted by DadRabit
S!

If evolution were true.  Why are there still monkeys?

Tactical Officer
99TH ASTAG  Swift to Avenge

That's kinda like saying now there are scientists why are there still farmers? Cos there's still a good living to be had as a monkey... if they're anything like human hunter-gatherers, they only have to work 4 hours a day which means if they live to be 30, they have way more time off than a 9-5 office guy does if he lives to 70. Remind me which one is the most "progressed"?

[jeep]

If evolution were true. Why are there still monkeys?

They were the ones who followed Jesse Jacksons ancestors when we were still living in caves eating taradactos.

[myelo]

Originally posted by DadRabit
S!

If evolution were true.  Why are there still monkeys?

Because humans did not evolve from modern day monkeys. And Darwin never said we did. Rather, human beings and modern monkeys (actually apes) evolved from a common ancestor.

This is the most common misundertanding of human evolution. Your question is like saying, "If I evolved from my brother why is my brother still alive?"

[DadRabit]

ok, but that still does not explain why the monkeys (apes) did not evolve along with humans.  Who was this "common ancestor"?  Was it Lucy?  All I am stating is this,  at some point our ancestors began to exist.  How did this existance start?  Big Bang?  Did we all elvolve from primordial goo that somehow mixed together?  

My position is obvious.  I believe in God.  I believe that he created me.  If you were to look at everything around you, plants, water, your body, cells in your body, the fact that if the earth were just a little closer or farther away from the sun we would not exist.  This all points to being created by an intelligent being.  If you want to believe that it all started from an explosion in space, being mixed together, crawling on the ground, walking upright and then evolving into modern day man, thats fine.

What about evil?  Do you believe evil exists?  I do.  What about good?  It would seem that for there to be good, there must be evil.  What causes evil?  Is it a chemical imbalance in the brain?  Or is it just someone who is mean?  Were apes evil?  I can go on an on.  My point is this, my belief in God also produces a belief in evil (satan).  Is it possable satan is behind all this evolution theory just to get you mind from believing that there is a God?

Cats begat cats, dogs begat dogs, oranges oranges, apples apples, apes begat man?  To me it would take more faith to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in creationism.

Tactical Officer
99TH ASTAG  Swift to Avenge

[Thrawn]

Just because you believe something doesn't make it so.  That's the nice thing about science.  It offers proof of things.

[DadRabit]

ok Thrawn, using science, prove evolution to me.  Your belief in science does not make it so either.  People gonna believe whatever they want to believe.  Simple as that.

[mrfish]

What about good?  It would seem that for there to be good, there must be evil.

why? if you were god you could just say 'alakazzaam' and suddenly it would be possible to just have good. is your god not capable of that? evil is part of his plan? i submit again that god wouldn't be such a poor planner and a petty drama queen that needs conflict.

What causes evil?  Is it a chemical imbalance in the brain?  Or is it just someone who is mean?  Were apes evil?  I can go on an on.  My point is this, my belief in God also produces a belief in evil (satan).  Is it possable satan is behind all this evolution theory just to get you mind from believing that there is a God?

well it's hard to imagine why you'd be so gaga over god if you don't like evil or satan - after all they're his creations. if they aren't then whose are they? did god not want those concepts in the universe? if not then why didn't he see it coming and change things. he's not very good at foreseeing the future for a diety - or maybe satan is just making me say that!!!

of course i'm sure that living in pflugerville exposes you to all sorts of views and cultures and beliefs right? you could just change your mind anytime and your neighbors and family would suppoort you no doubt. ;

[DadRabit]

scuse me mrfish but did I insult you?  call you names?  talk bad about your hometown?  Where did you get this gaga stuff anyway?  I'm responding to a thread with what my opinion is.  I am not insulting you but rather trying to find out your point of view (which is obvious).

[mrfish]

i don't remember calling you any names or suggesting anything about your town other than the fact that if you grow up there or live there - then dimes to doughnuts you are going to be a fundamentalist christian

- going against the grain would get your ostracized so your beliefs may have a lot to do with social pressure and i doubt you've every even considered that.  you see not every state has 500 foot crosses off the side of the highway.

what about my questions- do they just fall unanswered like most of my other hard questions?

[DadRabit]

Quote mrfish:  "why? if you were god you could just say 'alakazzaam' and suddenly it would be possible to just have good. is your god not capable of that? evil is part of his plan? i submit again that god wouldn't be such a poor planner and a petty drama queen that needs conflict."

To answer your questions would cause me to preach, I am not a preacher.  However, I will try to answer your questions.  Yes God is capable of causing there to be nothing but good.  Lets say for instance I was God and you did not like me or not believe in me.  I could make you but what good would that do to make you like or believe in me by force?  Thats not what friendship is all about.  

Quote mrfish:  "well it's hard to imagine why you'd be so gaga over god if you don't like evil or satan - after all they're his creations. if they aren't then whose are they? did god not want those concepts in the universe? if not then why didn't he see it coming and change things. he's not very good at foreseeing the future for a diety - or maybe satan is just making me say that!!! "

Yes satan was Gods creation, however satan wanted to be God.  God said cya!  

Quote mrfish:  "of course i'm sure that living in pflugerville exposes you to all sorts of views and cultures and beliefs right? you could just change your mind anytime and your neighbors and family would suppoort you no doubt. ;"

I have no ideal what you are trying to say in this paragraph, but you be suprised how many views and culture are in this area.  

Quote mrfish:  "i don't remember calling you any names or suggesting anything about your town other than the fact that if you grow up there or live there - then dimes to doughnuts you are going to be a fundamentalist christian"

In your line of thinking in this paragraph, I could say that its a fact because you live in San Francisco, then dimes to doughnuts you are going to be a homosexual.  How absurd!  You need to come to Texas an visit.  Go to one o my favorite lakes, catch some fish and have a cold beer.  you would be suprised at what views and cultures you would find.

I salute you sir    S!

[mrfish]

God is capable of causing there to be nothing but good.  Lets say for instance I was God and you did not like me or not believe in me.  I could make you but what good would that do to make you like or believe in me by force?  Thats not what friendship is all about.

that wasn't my question though. i'm not talking about god forcing someone to like him.....if god doesn't approve of evil then why did he enable it in the universe in the first place? at the point of creation a window popped up and asked god: enable evil? and god checked yes....why?

your view seems to be that god created evil so we had the opportunity not to like him or that it is a necessary condition of any creation. why would god want friends or care if we liked him? why would a diety create a world just to test people and then toss them in hell if they fail?

he could just have easily created a more elegant world with no evil  if he'd wanted to and he could have even come down and hung out with us, fathering us like a good dad - instead he created an evil trap and hides in the bushes seeing if we pass the test or not. that god has too much time on his hands and a nasty disposition to boot. and he spends all his time fretting over earth - you mean he just created all that space and all those stars and planets out there for no reason? after all he gave his only son for us - if that's the case then he must have the most problems with earth.

as far as my assumptions about pflugerville, i'll just have to take your word that they welcome everyone with open arms and that it isn't a predominantly white, conservative, christian town.

your assumption that i was a homosexual would be wrong but not absurd by any stretch. 1 in 10 roughly are gay in san francisco so your odds would be pretty good. however guessing i was chinese or jewish would get you better odds since those populations are about 250,000 each as opposed to a homo population of about 115,000. i imagine that if i reached my hand into a giant bag of pflugervillians i wouldn't have to grab long before i found someone who wanted to pray for me because i am "lost".

as far as texas lakes go - the last time i went all i saw was carp and crappy. if you know a spot with nice juicy widemouth bass then let's go- and i'll just have to hope you don't live in a dry county.

[DadRabit]

God did not create evil.  Evil came about after the fall of satan.  satan chose his path.  God could have stopped him but did not.  Does satan have free will?  dunno.  As for just tossing folks into hell.  I believe hell is being apart from God.  Is there a pit full o fire an brimstone.  dunno.  

As far as comming down ta hang, he did.  That was Jesus his son.  I still not understand father, son, holy spirit being all the same.  

And thats all I fish for are blacks.  Carolina fishing, texas rig, bass assassins.  We'd have a blast.  And ice cold beer  
You ever get over here, just give me a holler.

Anyway, been a great thread and great meetin ya!  
S!