Author Topic: we don't want your gun control... (Read 1708 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2002, 02:18:17 PM »

Why do you think the US homocide statistics are so much higher than other western coutries?

Rude · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2002, 02:20:01 PM »

You did fine Toad.

Now if you would just start coming around and understand that guns are bad, freedom is overrated and accept the fact that there was a history prior to 1777, you and I might get along.

Toad · « **Reply #17 on:** December 03, 2002, 02:20:22 PM »

Primarily the different culture that has always existed.

Curval · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2002, 02:25:04 PM »

Toad...I can see you now, beside your safe, as a burgler rummages through your house:

"hmmm....should I go for the Baretta or the Magnum? Tough call....I want to take this guy down in one shot....maybe the shotgun?...nah..too messy...need something that will do the job with the least amount of splatter...hmmmm"

Of course you could always use the 7 iron.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2002, 02:36:03 PM »

lol

ever seen the movie Tremmors?

reminds me of the 'gun' guy

krazyhorse · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2002, 02:37:47 PM »

TYRO48 this is for you! about 5 years ago in South Carolina USA, a bank manager was taken hostage in her own house her husband and her were tied to there bed with duct tape, she was raped. the next morning these criminals took her to her bank, told her go in empty the vault or her husband would be killed (side point, the were not gun owners) she did as told , they then took her and her husband whom was in the trunk of the vehicle, some 30 miles away and dumped them off the roadside. these men were later caught in FLA USA in a shootout with the cops, they were injured but not dead. the bank manager and husband also survived , but she was never the same nor will ever be. when the cops questioned the criminals they were pissed, the assistant manager who was in charge of the vault stuck them with 3 bags of 1's and 5's. when they ask the criminals why they didn't take the assistant manager(they stalked both for 3 weeks prior) their point was that the assistant managers husband carried a pistol with him everywhere he went, and they felt it was to risky. THE Assistant Manager is MY WIFE, so when you ask who has been affected by a crime, now you know . I am licensed and carry a taurus 357 magnum wherever i go. It(my weapon) was a deterant in this case.

Toad · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2002, 02:39:11 PM »

Actually, the (Tm) "Three Labradors" Burglar Alarm System would be going off and that would allow me to procede with the encounter along the guidelines that have been previously determined to be most effective.

You don't really think a responsible person has no plan whatsoever for such an eventuality, do you? I mean, either the plan is that the guns are locked up and stay that way or there is a gun available for use and proper plans and guidelines have been decided upon.

BTW, I don't golf. I find it incredibly boring. Sorry.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2002, 02:49:19 PM »

ditto on pasture pool (golf)

it be more fun if it were hockey (as per commercial)

mauser · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2002, 03:33:08 PM »

krazyhorse:

gonna save your post for my library of articles if you don't mind.

Although this isn't an example of myself being directly bothered by a criminal, it comes close. When my car was broken into in our condo's garage the theif was caught red-handed by the security guard. Unfortunately, none of the guards are armed... with anything. Probably not wanting to get into a confrontation with the theif, the guard supposedly told the theif to stay put while he went to call his supervisor. What do you think the theif did? The theif was of course positively identified because his mother and step father lived in the condo (he didn't live there). I heard he went to jail, but was out in less than a year or two. An even closer example of being bothered by a criminal was when my brother and his friend (just two of them I think) caught a bunch of theives breaking into another friend's car in broad daylight in the high school parking lot. The theives outnumbered them and threatened them with screwdrivers, then punched holes in my brother's tires and sped off. Brother carried a baseball bat in his car after that.. he was so pissed. I remember when he called me on his cell phone right after it happened. Could tell his adrenaline level was up there and he was shaken.

Even in a place which is supposed to be considered a "paradise" we have these things occuring. We aren't devoid of gang activity, or drugs either. I heard this USED to be a place where folks could leave their door unlocked, welcomed strangers in to their homes without fear, and times were good (sounds like how a lot of less urban places start out). Criminals will be everywhere, and to think they follow some kind of ethical code is foolhardy.

mauser

Dune · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2002, 03:33:48 PM »

From The Arizona Republic

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Would-be robber killed in Peoria home invasion

By Susan Carroll
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 3, 2002

A botched home invasion in Peoria left one would-be robber dead and closed down five area schools as police searched for a second man.

Two men dressed in black and wearing face masks broke into a home in the 13400 block of North 68th Drive at about 8:30 a.m. Monday, police said.

"Once inside, they were confronted by a resident of the house, who shot and killed one of them," said Sgt. Clark Collier, a Peoria police spokesman. "The other one got away."

Police informed Peoria Unified School District about the man's escape, warning that he may be armed.

The warning prompted the district to lock down Oakwood Elementary, 12900 N. 71st Ave., which is about a half mile from the home. Paseo Verde and Frontier elementary schools as well as Cactus and Centennial high schools also were closed as a precaution, said Jim Cummings, district spokesman. The lockdown was lifted at 10:45 a.m.

Police did not release the identities of the dead man or his shooter.

The man who escaped remained at large Monday night, but Collier said two men were detained for questioning.

Collier added that shooting intruders and defending one's self are issues homeowners often have questions about.

"That comes up a lot," he said. "There is a lot of things we look at. We have to ask, 'Did the guy get shot in the back or the front and was he armed?"

Homeowners can resort to violence if they feel threatened, he said.

"You are allowed to defend yourself and your property and use deadly force if you feel your life is in danger," Collier said.

Reporter Sara Thorson contributed to this article.

krazyhorse · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2002, 04:12:29 PM »

BTW since that happened my wife is also now licensed to carry a gun and does , a colt 380

beet1e · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2002, 06:15:59 PM »

Mr. Toad!

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No - leave that to Lazs! LOL

But seriously - all these guns going around... sounds like we're backsliding into the Wild West days.

Curval · « **Reply #27 on:** December 03, 2002, 06:28:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Actually, the (Tm) "Three Labradors" Burglar Alarm System would be going off.

You don't really think a responsible person has no plan whatsoever for such an eventuality, do you?

BTW, I don't golf. I find it incredibly boring. Sorry.

Speaking of the three Tm system...any news re: a chocolate lab pup? Any pregnant squeakes?

Golf boring?!

frustrating maybe..but not boring, surely?

krazyhorse..wow!

NUKE · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2002, 07:04:51 PM »

From The Arizona Republic

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Would-be robber killed in Peoria home invasion

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By Susan Carroll
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 3, 2002

A botched home invasion in Peoria left one would-be robber dead and closed down five area schools as police searched for a second man.

Two men dressed in black and wearing face masks broke into a home in the 13400 block of North 68th Drive at about 8:30 a.m. Monday, police said.

"Once inside, they were confronted by a resident of the house, who shot and killed one of them," said Sgt. Clark Collier, a Peoria police spokesman. "The other one got away."

This is the story I was refering to in my post "One Less Piece of Garbage"

Since Arizona is a conealed carry state, and we have lots of guns anyway, citizens can actually defend themselves and others.

About 5 years ago, 2 or 3 illegal Mexican immigrants shot and killed a Phoenix Police officer. A local citizen witnessed the shooting and shot 1 or two of the Mexicans from his truck window as the crime unfolded. He had to fire left handed out the driver's window. It resulted in all of these guys being caught.

Phoenix police praised this man's actions. If it hadn't been for this man, these piles of watermelon would probably have slithered back into Mexico.

Toad · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2002, 09:24:57 PM »

Curval, we just bred the Chocolate to the yellow "Irish squeak". Unfortunately, she's notoriously hard to "settle" and rarely has large litters if any at all. We'll be doing an X-ray in 3 weeks to see if she caught. I'll put you second on the list..... after me..... if you like. No chocolates though; these will be black or yellow.

The planned chocolate/chocolate breeding failed this Fall when the guy that owned the squeak went off to Sunday church on the appointed breeding day and came back to find his female gone. He found her two days later in the company of a mixed-breed hound. She got the "morning after" shot. So, we'll try her again in Spring.

Beetle, two points:

What are you referencing with "all these guns"? Mine aren't going around anywhere. They're under direct control and/or locked in a safe.

As for "Wild West"... well, IF that is so, then there's two ways to look at it.

It could be the Wild West because of guns. Maybe. But I doubt it. Because there's just too much proof (much of it posted on this BBS in other threads) that guns in and of themselves aren't the problem and further, that restricting/confiscating/banning guns doesn't change the crime statistics in any significant manner where it was tried. Well, that's not true. Homicide stats remain "very stable" after ban in the words of the Home Office, but other violent crime stats seem to skyrocket to the point that England and Australia are leading the world in the International Crime Victimization Study.

Or it could be the Wild West and guns aren't the cause; people with a lawless attitude are the cause. If so, you pay your money and take your choice. That statement seems to fit the nature of the problem in EVERY country, IMO. Personally, if I live/lived in the Wild West, I'd rather be armed.

YMMV.