The most leathal plane in the game?

[Hans]

I just ran thru the numbers and wrote down the Kill-To-Death ratios of all the planes in the game.  I wanted to see which plane is the most deadly opponent.

I don't really care about popularity.  You can fly how many times you like, but in the end if your dying more than your killing, your not winning in my book.  Popularity matters diddly.

Ta152      3.01
Tempest      2.87

Fw190D9      1.50
Fw190A5      1.42
Corsair C   1.39
109G2      1.36
Yak9U      1.29
P47D25      1.29
La7      1.23
Fw190A8      1.18
109G10      1.15
Typhoon      1.10
109G6      1.07
N1K1      1.03
P51B      1.01
Yak9T      .96
Spit 9     .95
P51D         .94
Corsair D   .89
Spit V      .86
C205      .86
109F4      .81
Seafire      .76
B17       .74
La5FN      .74
A6M5      .74
P38      .73
Fw190F8      .71
F6F      .67
P47D30      .65
B26       .61
Lancaster   .53
C.202      .50
Arado 234   .39
Ju88      .25
TBM      .18

I was shocked to see how well the German planes are doing, particularily the G2.  I had no idea that plane was a killer (over 1.0 kill ratio is what counts to me).

Obviously the perk fighters are really killers, because their owners are probably like me, flying really anally when your in a perk.

The Arado seems to be doing well too, considering it has no guns.

Hans.

P.S.  This ought to be interesting.  These stat posts always end up fairly long.

[This message has been edited by Hans (edited 04-30-2001).]

[LLv34_Camouflage]

 

Originally posted by Hans:

109G2      1.36

I was shocked to see how well the German planes are doing, particularily the G2.  I had no idea that plane was a killer (over 1.0 kill ratio is what counts to me).

Lentolaivue 34 has 460 kills and has been killed 154 times in the Bf 109G-2. K/D= 2.99.

The Bf 109G-2 has 1334 kills and has been killed 981 times. K/D= 1.36

So if you subtract LLv34's scores from the total, you get 874 kills and 827 deaths, K/D= 1.06.

That drops it between the G-6 and N1K in your list.  But then again, you have to take into account the LLv34 pilots who fly the G-6.  

With the not-so-popular planes even a handful of pilots will skew the K/D results. Which your calculations don't take into account, like you said.

Camo

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[Kirin]

Hans,

I am guessing that the K/D for the German planes is so high because we LW pilots are just superior...      

Seriously, some of the planes ranking high in K/D are flown by pilots dedicated to the particular plane. High K/D does not automatically imply that the plane is that lethal in the hands of an average pilot.

About the Ta152. It's a very deadly plane in the hands of a experienced pilot. It's a perk plane, yup so most fly it more carefully than other planes what gives a high K/D as result. But the absolut numbers (that u dislike so much) are really not that impressive: 700 something kills... that's practically irrelevant. So you'll probably find only quite good pilots in 152s that have a high K/D in other planes as well!!

Also most G2 kills (1300) are done by dedicated LW/109 pilots who know their plane by heart. Small number of good pilots bring high K/D ratio.

The CHog oth has 26700 kills!! So, many, many pilots are flying it - with a great dispersion in pilot skills. And still it's No.5 in your list! I think you can't judge a plane by K/D only - you have to take the absolut numbers of kills into account!!

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~Kirin~
 

[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 04-30-2001).]

[Kirin]

Ok, since Camo throwing around numbers I will do the same...  

9./JG54 has 187 kills in the Ta152-H1
9./JG54 has been killed 24 times in Ta152-H1

187:24 = approx. K/D of 7.8

(one member of JG54 has a K/D of 0.5 in 152 - taken into account still   )

substract JG54 kills in Ta from all kills..

Ta152 has 515 kills against all models.
All models have 209 kills against Ta152.

= K/D (without Gruenherzträger) of 2.5 approx... still very high - but there some more Ta152 aces like Mitsu (70:5) etc...

[Li`l Snorkey]

hmmm....  nice numbers guys, now let me try:

There is no such thing as a lethal aircraft, only lethal pilots.

<S>
Snorkey out

[AG Sachsenberg]

Lets see right now I am running a 2+ ratio in the D-9 with around 130 or so kills.  I am 30-4 in the Ta-152 as well for the month.  What I see in LW figures are very dedicated pilots flying those machines.  Then again take out the newbie numbers for hte Chog Spit 9 and N1K and I bet it would be more skewed then the LW numbers.

The truth is you have to earn a kill in a LW craft, the others it is point and click.  

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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-30-2001).]

[Kirin]

Sachsenberg - true take out the newbies/aces out of the count and numbers will be squewed for every plane but Camos guys for example account for 1/3 of all G2 - so they're quite relevant. My squad accounts for 1/4 of all 152 kills - also quite relevant! Both planes have quite few total kills - a small dedicated group scores most of em.

In the CHog stats oth you won't find one particular group to set the killnumbers, K/D... kills & deaths are spread amongst many pilots - a huge group including every level of skill! That's the amazing part. A large number of players flying that plane while holding a quite high K/D!! Here the plane is the bigger factor than the individual pilot.

I agree on the point & click interface for those well known planes...  

[AKDejaVu]

Let's be fair.  Fighter vs Fighter Stats:

   

Now, when the top 10 charts come out,  see how the top 10 pilots did in each aircraft and compare that to the aircraft's overall numbers.  Not many of the aircraft in AH are all that bad.  Just some that are more difficult and require more experience.  The LW would have you believe that its their planes, but I have a tendancy to think several of the US planes and the Italian craft are the toughest.

AKDejaVu

[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 04-30-2001).]

[No609Beef]

How can you check your kill ratio in a particular plane?Is it listed on the Scores page?..SirLoin out<S!>

[lazs]

sheesh... there are dedicated skilled pilots in evey plane popular or no.  If you take the skilled guys out of the mix you get different results.  the lw certainly has no more skilled guys than anyone else.   they just claim to be more than anyone else.
lazs

[Zigrat]

not true lazs

are you telling me that the p47-d25 or the 190-a5 dont have a higher percentage of sorties flown by better players? Because i centainly think they do.

[Fatty]

I don't Zigrat, I just think they're more apt to tell you when they're in the "acceptable" planes.

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Fatty:
I don't Zigrat, I just think they're more apt to tell you when they're in the "acceptable" planes.

Tis a shame when we've come to this type of 'Aircraft Political Correctness'.

[Mighty1]

No matter what plane I take up it's a killer.

Course it's normally me that gets killed.
But a kill is a kill right?

[Steven]

Heh heh, I think I'm bringing the P51B average down.