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« on: December 03, 2002, 02:59:20 PM »
Uncle Sam wants your kid
Tuesday, December 3, 2002 Posted: 10:30 AM EST (1530 GMT)


   
The new law says that schools must give the military the same access to their campuses that businesses and college recruiters enjoy.  
 
   
 
BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- A little-noticed provision in a new federal education law is requiring high schools to hand over to military recruiters some key information about its juniors and seniors: name, address and phone number.

The Pentagon says the information will help it recruit young people to defend their country. But the new law disturbs parents and administrators in some liberal communities that aren't exactly gung-ho about the armed forces.

Some say the law violates students' privacy and creates a moral dilemma over the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays.

"I find it appalling that the school is sending out letters to do the job of the military," said Amy Lang, the parent of a student at Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, where Coke was once banned in a protest against the soda giant's investments in apartheid South Africa. "It's clearly an invasion of my daughter's privacy."

The No Child Left Behind law, signed last January, pumps billions into education but also gives military recruiters access to the names, addresses and phone numbers of students in 22,000 schools. The law also says that schools must give the military the same access to their campuses that businesses and college recruiters enjoy.

School systems that fail to comply could lose federal money. The measure also applies to private schools receiving federal funding. But Quaker schools and others that have a religious objection to military service can get out of the requirement.

Students and parents who oppose the law can keep their information from being turned over to the military, but they must sign and return an "opt-out" form.

Opting out
The Boston school system, which has 7,500 juniors and seniors, included the opt-out notice in a take-home student handbook, but fewer than a dozen parents opted out.

So far, 95 percent of the nation's schools are in compliance, said Pentagon spokeswoman Maj. Sandra Troeber. She would not identify the other schools. But Education Department spokesman Dan Langan said that the current focus is on cooperation and that no schools have been sanctioned.

Federal law already requires men to register with the Selective Service within 30 days of turning 18. The new law, however, enables the Pentagon to reach potential recruits when they are 15 or 16.

In New York City, Daniel Alterman was taken aback when his 15-year-old son, a junior at Stuyvesant High, received a recruitment letter.

"Parents are in the dark," Alterman said. "It freaked me out. I didn't sign up to support the military effort."

Alterman said after he opted out, his son received another letter, this one promoting scholarships. "It was very seductive. They didn't say anything about risk to personal safety," Alterman said.

Among those objecting to the new requirements is the New York City chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. Executive director Donna Lieberman said that the opt-out provision is inadequate and that schools should be doing more to protect students' privacy.

In a letter last month, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Education Secretary Rod Paige reminded high school administrators of their duty, and cited "the excellent educational opportunities the military affords, as well as an environment that encourages the development of strong character and leadership skills."

'We had to comply with the law'
The Pentagon said better access to students could also hold down the rising costs of recruitment. Over the past decade, the cost per recruit has nearly doubled from $6,500 to $11,600.

Before the law, military recruiters could meet with students in Cambridge and Northampton on campus only if the student sought them out, and then only at a meeting attended by a guidance counselor. But Cambridge held a military career fair at the high school a month ago.

"It's a vast departure from the way we've done business," said Donna Harlan, an associate superintendent in the Northampton school system. "We are not in the business of giving lists of names of kids to anybody. That was tough. The issue was if we were to receive federal or state money, we had to comply with the law."

The law also spelled the end of a 6-year ban on military recruiting on campus in Portland, Oregon. After contending that the "don't ask, don't tell" policy discriminates against gays, the school system now gives recruiters a shot at its 16,000 students.

In Massachusetts, Framingham High senior April Middleton decided over lunch recently that maybe the military is in her future after talking with Army National Guard Sgt. Louis Perrin, a recruiter who visited the cafeteria.

Middleton, 18, said she plans to enlist after she graduates, and the prospect of war has not scared her off. "Sometimes you've got to make sacrifices," she said.

Sometimes, however, recruiters battle hostility.

"One teacher said we were trying to brainwash kids. All we were doing was handing out pencils," Perrin said. "We're not trying to invade anybody's privacy. We're just trying to protect their freedoms."

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2002, 03:05:50 PM »
You think this is a bad thing?

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2002, 03:11:30 PM »
I was just gonna post something similar.
personally I think it's about time !

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2002, 03:13:22 PM »
Its OK by me too.

ROTC is still pretty big in our local schools. Probably because this is a town that was once dominated by a large Air Force base.

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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2002, 03:14:36 PM »
I believe 100 percent that recruiters should be given equal opportunity to represent the military as other business recruiters can theirs.  In fact, I think the military should be given higher preference.  Were it not for the sacrifices of the men and women in our armed forces, those other companies attempting to recruit our children wouldn't be around to do any recruiting.

As far as that New York guy in the article saying that he didn't sign up to support the military effort, all I have to say is perhaps you didn't.  But a whole lot of us DID sign up so you could sit in your house and spew such garbage from your mouth.

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2002, 03:22:26 PM »
this would be OK, if the military gave up it's advertising budget...is this private schools too?

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2002, 03:25:20 PM »
I thought they'd been doing this for years already.

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2002, 03:33:24 PM »
sheesh, it's just a call from a recruiter.  All the kid has to do is say "I'm not interested" if they aren't interested.  Besides, what harm can come from actually talking to a recruiter and asking questions about the military?  I talked to several recruiters when I was a high school junior and senior.  They were courteous, honest and helpful, which I can't say the same about some of the college recruiters I talked to.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2002, 03:52:57 PM »
I don't think this info should be made available to anyone.  if my kid is interested he can call you.

but if employers and colleges get the info then I see no reason why the military can't have a shot at selling your kid on their program too

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Even better.
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2002, 04:36:42 PM »
Make the little Sad Sacks do a mandatory 2 year enlistment after high school, I'll guarantee the ones with the guts to complete their term of service will be better men because of it.

The ones who can't hack it can complete two years of community service picking up trash along highways.

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2002, 04:40:37 PM »
We had recruiters at my high school.  I probably should have gone into the service.  My first couple years of college were a comoplete waste of time and brain cells anyways.

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2002, 04:54:07 PM »
I think the military should enjoy the same privileges that any other employer may have WRT student information. That is... I will when they stop discriminating against people because of sexual orientation.

... and even if that is corrected, I don't think that they should be given preferential treatment.

I used to think that mandatory service might be a good thing. Then I remembered the UCMJ. IMHO, forcing anyone to adhere to the rules in that document is a violation of their constitutional rights.

Last, I'd like to know how much money we waste on selective service registration. The draft isn't ever coming back.
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It would teach them discipline....
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2002, 05:02:47 PM »
Something it seems is lacking in our society.

Then I remembered the UCMJ. IMHO, forcing anyone to adhere to the rules in that document is a violation of their constitutional rights.

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2002, 05:04:47 PM »
Do you think the military should also have access to your childrens private school records?

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2002, 05:08:20 PM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Do you think the military should also have access to your childrens private school records?


I trust them more than businesses or universities (which are businesses).