LOL oh Castro, senile already?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by wulfie

Even the Soviet Union became frightened of him, after he suggested that the Soviet nuclear weapons located in Cuba be placed under his (Castro's) control. He went into such a tatrum when they said 'no' that they were honestly concerned about him forcibly taking the weapons.

Frightened of Castro?! Giving him control over nuclear weapons?! Who told you this hallucinations?! Taking nuclear weapons by force? What for? Neither Castro or Soviet leaders were idiots.

Saudi Arabia that is a big friend of the US can give you 75 lashes for owning alcohol. Why can't Cubans say they don't allow students to drive cars? Anyway, 95% of Cubans don't care.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
Anyway, 95% of Cubans don't care.

Because 99% of them don't have cars?

[Ripsnort]

LOL Toad!

Read carefully what Toad is saying, Boroda.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
Because 99% of them don't have cars?

So what? I don't have a car and never learned to drive. I simply don't need it.

I can sit and drink beer when someone else drives for me. I'll prefer Cuba to Saudi Arabia

[Toad]

[miko2d]

Boroda: Neither Castro or Soviet leaders were idiots.

 Please remind me who once tried to build socialism in Angola and Afghanistan respectfully?

Giving him control over nuclear weapons?!

 Where did China get its nuclear technology? India? Iran? Iraq? North Korea?
 Why wouldn't Castro want a few? Is he worse than other one time soviet clients?

What for?

 So that when Soviet Union turned traitor to the holy work of liberation of international propletariat, joined the enemy's camp and left Cuba all alone (not counting those wacky North Koreans) against the world capitalism, they would have some weapons to bargain with.

 miko

[Boroda]

Please remind me who once tried to build socialism in Angola and Afghanistan respectfully?  

Do you really think USSR cared about socialism in Angola? It was a question of supporting one superpower or another. BTW "buliding socialism" in Angola was performed mostly by Cubans.

Where did China get its nuclear technology? India? Iran? Iraq? North Korea? Why wouldn't Castro want a few? Is he worse than other one time soviet clients?

China is a difficult question for me. I need to look for some sources. IMO breaking the alliance with China was the worst Mikita's mistake. BTW, when did China make a first test explosion? IIRC in early 80s they already had thermonuclear weapons.

India and Iran? They do have Soviet and Russian reactors. I doubt that USSR supplied them with breeders. BTW, the dirty American blackmail worked and forced Russia from signing contracts with Iran about new reactors...

Iraq?! They have nuclear technology?! Oh, sorry, your whitehouse looney is going to bomb them anyway... CV groups heading towards Persian Gulf eat too much money to simply turn them away.

North Korea? For them it's a question of national survival. But again I doubt they have breeding reactors bought from USSR.

Please remember that USSR signed a treaty for not spreading nuclear weapons, and, unlike the "land of free", we don't have a nice habbit of spitting on any agreement when it stops to satisfy us. If USSR/Russia helped someone to build a Bomb - then please show us your information and start bombing us like you did with poor Serbs. If you have guts.

So that when Soviet Union turned traitor to the holy work of liberation of international propletariat, joined the enemy's camp and left Cuba all alone (not counting those wacky North Koreans) against the world capitalism, they would have some weapons to bargain with.

Castro should have done anything to please his ally, having such an enemy so close could leave him helpless without Soviet support. And if both USSR and US considered his regime dangerous - nothing could save him.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Boroda
BTW, when did China make a first test explosion? IIRC in early 80s they already had thermonuclear weapons.

[/B]

Early 1965 I believe.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Toad]

It makes my day when Boroda graces us with his presence.

I'm smiling so hard my face hurts!

Hard to pick the best in this one though.

Could it be: "North Korea? For them it's a question of national survival."

or is it: "Please remember that USSR signed a treaty for not spreading nuclear weapons, and, unlike the "land of free", we don't have a nice habbit of spitting on any agreement when it stops to satisfy us. "

..and really, there's too many contenders.

What a great day!

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying


Early 1965 I believe.

-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]

Too late to be a Soviet assistance.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
It makes my day when Boroda graces us with his presence.

I'm smiling so hard my face hurts!

Hard to pick the best in this one though.

Could it be: "North Korea? For them it's a question of national survival."

or is it: "Please remember that USSR signed a treaty for not spreading nuclear weapons, and, unlike the "land of free", we don't have a nice habbit of spitting on any agreement when it stops to satisfy us. "

..and really, there's too many contenders.

What a great day!

Thank you.

I kindly await for Your words of wisdom collected from the greatest Internet traditional propaganda trashcans and highly trusted tabloids.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
I kindly await for Your words of wisdom collected from the greatest Internet traditional propaganda trashcans and highly trusted tabloids.

Yes, I know how reading historically accurate sources makes you hear those "Uncle Joe voices" in your head.

[miko2d]

Boroda: Do you really think USSR cared about socialism in Angola? It was a question of supporting one superpower or another. BTW "buliding socialism" in Angola was performed mostly by Cubans.

 Sorry, I hastily mistyped "respectfully" for "respectively" meaning that Castro was matched to Angola and USSR to Afghtnistan.
 

Please remember that USSR signed a treaty for not spreading nuclear weapons, and, unlike the "land of free", we don't have a nice habbit of spitting on any agreement when it stops to satisfy us.

 Well, US does sometimes tend to openly "spit" on a treaty and withdraw from it / not renew it according to procedures specified in the treaty itself after giving a notice in advance in a period of time specified in the same treaty - unlike USSR which just violated them covertly without bothering with formalities.

 If USSR/Russia helped someone to build a Bomb - then please show us your information and start bombing us like you did with poor Serbs. If you have guts.

 I though US won the Cold War without bombing USSR. A lot of russians would probably disagree with you that today's Russia should be held accountable for the actions of USSR in the 70s - which is what we discuss here. Or that it's politics represent continuation of USSR politics.

Castro should have done anything to please his ally, having such an enemy so close could leave him helpless without Soviet support.

 Which is exactly what happened - left helpless and destitute. Korea is fed by US/Japain/S. Korea because of nuclear blackmail. Castro is probably kicking himself for not being more persistent...

 miko

[-dead-]

October '64 was the first Chinese nuclear test.

In 1955 the USSR delivered an experimental nuclear reactor, but in 1957 the Soviets welched on a previous agreement when they decided they weren't going to provide the nuclear weapon sample and technical data on its manufacture that they had promised, after talks with the US.
Soviet military aid stopped after 1960, and the whole Sino-Soviet relationship went downhill throughout the 60s, the low point being the armed conflict in March 1969.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by -dead-
Soviet military aid stopped after 1960, and the whole Sino-Soviet relationship went downhill throughout the 60s, the low point being the armed conflict in March 1969.

Whoop, lost me there..what conflict?