Championship Shootout ... Something is wrong here

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Booky
How many of you know me? Slapshot, do you know who I am?

I am by far not the best pilot in the game. However I have to argue with you slapshot. I do the "Everything" that you talk about. I will dive into a 10 on 1 to save a fellow pilot, even if they are not a squadie. I kill CV groups almost everyday that I fly. I deack fields more than the average flyer. About the only thing I wont do is up at a capped field just to get vulched 10 times.

Haveing said that, if you look at my overall rank, I am in the top 15 quite a bit. This post was to prove to you that not just the gamey players will be rewarded. But then again, you would have to know me to know if I was a gamey score potato.

I think all this bickering comes from whiny little la7 flyers that want nothing but furballs. Now since that is all they want, and all they will do, then they wont get anything.

Just ask most guys about me. Im sure of what the majority will say. Or at least I think I know what they would say. They would say, "Damn, Booky, Your head is soo fat."

lol
Booky

Booky,

I don't know if I know you ... is Booky your GameId ? If so, I haven't had the pleasure. I do all of the above (i'll only get vulched 3 or 4 times before I call it quits) ... my score is usually in the 2 hundreds and sometimes in the 1 hundreds, but I dont really care what my score is ... thats not why I play the game.

Anyhow ... If what you say is true, and I do believe you, then you are a very unique animal in this wild jungle. Some of the others that grace the top 15 spots RARELY particiapte in those activities unless it benefits them. Alot of those guys are not only score potatos, but very good vulch potatos too. They sit on the outskirts of a base while it is being de-acked by other pilots, and when "the coast is clear" ... here they come to the rescue. Thats fine with me .. they can play the game anyway they want ... just don't reward JUST THEM for their chosen style of play.

Was in a mission last night where we gained air superiority over A28 and then took out ALL Fighter Hangers (long ride for a goon). Typically once that happens, the call to leave the rest of the base intact is made and usually honored. Well ... NOT ANYMORE ... certain people ... no names here ... purposely shoot everthing in sight and when confronted, simply say ... "I need to lower my score" so screw your idea of keeping a base intact so that it can be used to contunue rolling the front forward.

This competition is changing the face of MA and it starting to look like plastic surgery gone bad.

The competition is a GOOD idea .. its just the fact that the scoring system is abled to be gamed is the fundemental flaw in the competition.

[Wotan]

were you in that rediculous 50 + maw gangbang at a28?

No that aint dweebry or gamey...........

I shot 2 down in a g10 and left. A stick stirrin floppy fish f6f followed me I would turn to fight even though I had at 23 rounds of 20mm left and he would "stall' and  lose 3 k recover then spray like mad. I did this for a few passes then just left.

Like I said in another thread just look at the folks who are most "up in arms" over this contest.

It makes their arguement nothing but a joke.

Half of those guys at 28 that were straffin down the fuel and such were most likely bored. You had 50 guys circling a field with nothing to kill what do you expect umm to do?

The ones me and squaddies killed have no chance in heck of finishing in the top 15 anyway. Its a bit of a stretch to assume that the killing 6 fuel or ammo bunkers by 50 guys is a result of the "contest". Folks do that crap all the time. I doudt many of those guys were even in the top 200 anyway.

Keep reaching.............

[Turbot]

Originally posted by SlapShot
The competition is a GOOD idea .. its just the fact that the scoring system is abled to be gamed is the fundemental flaw in the competition.

I still say what a perfect opportunity for HTC to watch and learn the bugs of the system.   only been up 2 or 3 times this tour, but I have not seen much change in the arena except that when I look up I see a lot more people flying in outter space, but I don't fly up there anymore so has not much effect on me.

[Kev367th]

Already seen the effects of the competition in the MA. Pilots bailing out to either avoid vulch or keep the time in the air down to a minimum. Was being chased by Spit and Hurri last night, very little ammo left - friendly ups and promptly flies away to avoid possible 2 on 1 IF I manage to land. A squaddie of mine sitting outside a destroyed city in an M3, asks friendly to kill last ack - he flies away with a "might get shot down have to land these 2 kills" explanation. I have no idea how the scoring system could/should be changed to more fairly reflect performances as opposed to knowing the best way to game the game. I would prefer any money went to developing the game further and to ironing out current bugs. Maybe the competition could be held in the Special Arena on certain nights and anyone interested could go there. Not a whine, just a few thoughts, I don't bomb therefore would not expect to get anywhere near the level of scoring (gaming) required.

[Turbot]

Originally posted by Wotan
Half of those guys at 28 that were straffin down the fuel and such were most likely bored. You had 50 guys circling a field with nothing to kill what do you expect umm to do?

The ones me and squaddies killed have no chance in heck of finishing in the top 15 anyway. Its a bit of a stretch to assume that the killing 6 fuel or ammo bunkers by 50 guys is a result of the "contest". Folks do that crap all the time. I doudt many of those guys were even in the top 200 anyway.

Keep reaching.............

Very true, nothing about this would help 90% of those guys with score and the other 10% that didn't get kill shootered likely not had many more kills than they would have got off on thier own somewhere.  But heck, to each his own I guess.

(Not to say I am above a good vulching, but when you get too many it takes away even from that action.)

[Wotan]

you've been out our "vulch fests" usually the vulchees outnumber us vulchers 3 to 1.........

[Turbot]

Originally posted by Wotan
you've been out our "vulch fests" usually the vulchees outnumber us vulchers 3 to 1.........

Which makes for fine eatting

A good vulch is composed of 3 parts higher E state and 1 part having AAA and VH dead.  A good pilot can vulch a field by himself (one day, one day, by god I will be able to do this too!).

[SlapShot]

Wotan ...

Remember ... "If you pull the trigger and hit the enemy ... its your fault" ...  ... classic.

Rediculous .. ha ..  I guess its only appears rediculous when you are on the recieving end. I am sure that when YOU and YOUR country or YOU and YOUR SQUADDIES launch such a mission, it is not so rediculous, but rather brilliant.

It wasn't a "gang-bang" ... it was a mission. We flew almost 3 sectors and came in at 14k. Obviously on radar, so they knew we were coming. You guys had plenty of time to up a force to counter the attack, so I don't think that most would consider this a gang-bang. The group encountered only a couple of high interceptors, but that was it.

dweebry - gamey ... who got his easy couple of picks in a target rich environment and ran ? I am sure that you and your g10 have NEVER done the stick stirrin floppy fish dance yoursef ... NOT !

Who are the "folks" that are up in arms ... no real substance in that one sentence. This appears to be a trait in most of your posts.

You being a member of a different country do not have the ability to listen to our radio conversations, so your assumption of people being bored is just that ... an assumption ... you know what happens when you assume ... you make an bellybutton out of yourself.

99.999% of the guys that "you and your squaddies", or even "me and my squaddies"  kill have no chance in finishing in the top 15 ... so whats your point?

Porking just that field in itself, obviously is just a drop in the collective bucket. This behaviour is starting to happen at all base capture scenarios. Even when the goon has released troops, people a porking fuel, troops, ordinance and the like just to lower their score ... THATS THE POINT HERE.

[Wotan]

we dont do missions....................

I dont need to listen to your radio channel to know 50 gangbangers circling a field with nothing to will end up porking it.

Your conclusions are wrong. Base porking happens all the time. Even without this "contest".

99.999% of the guys that "you and your squaddies", or even "me and my squaddies" kill have no chance in finishing in the top 15 ... so whats your point?

I made my point clear, killing 6 fuel bunkers wont get these guys into the top 15. To claim they did it for "score" is stupid. So your conclusions are again wrong.

You can whine all you want but if you look at the top 50 guys most of them are the same guys that were in the top 50 before this contest. This contest has effected very little of what goes on in the main. Especially since its only been 3 days.

Stick to gangbanging...  that aint "dweebery" at all as long as you call it a "mission"

[SlapShot]

Wotan ...

Your last post really proves that you are quite thick, don't really read the substanance of the posts, don't really think about what you write, which in the end, results in you bringing nothing to the table.

Come back when you have some meat on that bone ...

[Wotan]

Bud I could go through everyone of posts in this thread and show you how wrong you are. I just picked the last one as a it was easy. I would shut up too if I were you. I will over look the cop out that was your last post.

But in the mean time I'll reflect back on your original post.

You are offering cash prizes to a very select few, who are the smallest contingent of your Aces High population. You are encouraging the "score mongers" to find new ways to finesse the scoring system and then reward them for it. Just rip thru your database, get the last 12 months worth of statistics, average out your numbers, and send the checks out to these pilots now. "Dollars to Donuts", they will be the same pilots that will rise to the top of your scoring platform for the next 4 months anyway. Yes these guys are great pilots but they only play one facet of your game, which I think is the smallest part of the Aces High story.

I think the largest contingent of pilots in Aces High play the "complete" game, and these players will NEVER reach the top 15 spots no matter how good of an air-to-air pilot they are. This is due to the fact that these pilots will be flying bombers, running JABO thru laser ack, upping from and defending fields that are under attack, de-acking bases, sinking Carrier Groups, trying to clear a guys 6 who has 5 cons chasing him, and participating in Ground Vehicle battles. You will not find your top 15 score mongers participating, consistently, in the above mentioned scenarios and especially now that there is a cash award at stake.

If you want to run a "Top Gun" Air-to-Air competition, fine, but at the same time you should offer a JABO competition, a bombing competition, a de-acking competition ... you get the idea. Offering this one exclusionary competition is thumbing your nose at the rest of us and our participation in Aces High.

What is quoted above must have been written by some one who has no idea about how "overall rank works in AH" or how the "contest" is set to work.

First re read the contest announcement

Be a top pilot and win cash prizes flying Aces High!

Starting in December, HTC is awarding the top 15 pilots with the best overall rating at the end of the monthly Tour in the Main Arena a cash prize! The top pilot earns $100 and the remaining pilots in the top 15 earn $50 each. Better yet, the top 15 pilots for each month qualify for the chance to win $500 in the Championship Shootout held after 4 months of qualifying rounds.

Information on how the overall rankings are calculated can be found here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/scoring.html

Follow that link and read how "overall rank" is achieved.

Heck I will tell you

Heres how it works

Each player has a fighter rank, bomber rank, attack rank and vehicle/boat rank. Overall rank is determined by adding all 4 ranks categories together. The guy/squad with the lowest number is the highest ranked player

you

fighter rank 112
bomber 40
attack 12
gv 50

total = 214 (this aint your overall rank)

other guy

fighter rank 130
bomber 10
attack 6
gv 30

total = 176

The guy whos total in all 4 categories is 176 ranked higher then you with 214

All rank categories have subcategories that are added up the same way to give you your rank for that category.

There are 10 total sub-categories. For GVs and Attack all 10 matter.


Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points

Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures


In Bombers theres only 5 that matter

Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures

In Fighters theres only 5 that matter as well

Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points

For GVs and Attack all 10 matter.

Heres the formulas taken right from the help file. These have nothing to do with perk points.


Formulas

Air Categories
Kills per Death = TotalKills / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)

Kills per Sortie = TotalKills / TotalTourSorties
Kills per Time = TotalKills / TotalTourSortieTime
Hit percentage = TotalTourBulletsHit / TotalTourBulletsUsed
Air points = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore
Ground Categories
Damage per Death = TotalDamage / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)
Damage per Sortie = TotalDamage / TotalTourSorties
Bombing percentage =
(TotalTourBombsHit + TotalTourRocketsHit + TotalTourTorpedosHit) /
(TotalTourBombsUsed + TotalTourRocketsUsed + TotalTourTorpedosUsed)
Ground points =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects
Field captures = FieldCapturesThisSortie + TotalTourFieldCaptures

TotalKills are just air-to-air kills for fighter missions, air-to-air + air-to-ground kills for all other mission types.

PlaneDamageScore =
(DamagePointsScoredOnEnemiesTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourPlaneDamageScoredOnE nemies

KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore

TotalDamage =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects

Death Multipliers


Landed 1
Discoed .25
Bailed .5
Ditched .75
Captured .4
Killed .25
Crashed .25

So you see overall rank is a product of "doing it all"

so your claim here

I think the largest contingent of pilots in Aces High play the "complete" game, and these players will NEVER reach the top 15 spots no matter how good of an air-to-air pilot they are. This is due to the fact that these pilots will be flying bombers, running JABO thru laser ack, upping from and defending fields that are under attack, de-acking bases, sinking Carrier Groups, trying to clear a guys 6 who has 5 cons chasing him, and participating in Ground Vehicle battles.

Is wrong. To get a good overall "rank" you need to do everything. Not only that you need to do it and live.

So your "assumptions" are  wrong from the start why should I believe your "assumptions" about why a28 got porked is any more correct?

I will tell you this after the annoncement of this event was made I was in the main. 1 guy started whining that a p51 was "running away because he was a score potato and just wanted to keep is score up".

as if no one ever ran in AH. Just like "no one ever porked a field" before this contest..............

[BigGun]

Originally posted by Wotan
we dont do missions....................
You can whine all you want but if you look at the top 50 guys most of them are the same guys that were in the top 50 before this contest. This contest has effected very little of what goes on in the main. Especially since its only been 3 days.
 

Well I guess that excludes you then, unless you keep up your average for past three days which will exceed 100+ hours for the month, you might just keep that above 50 rank.

To think someone would alter the way they have fun just to try and win a measly $100 or $50. Damn I am glad I am not some poor bastard like that. People act like HTC is giving out some big cash prize or something.

I use to look at rankings & care, but then figured out long time ago all the BS that goes into determining ranks, which I care nothing about. I am here to have fun, fly with squaddies I have known long time, plan & simple.

Wotan, obviously very good pilot in your big g10 . I bet though we can analyze your average stats for the past 6-10 months and compare to stats end of this tour & will be able to notice some obvious differences. For starters in first 3 days, your hours are way up. To say this contest would not alter MA behaviour at all just goes to show you are ignorant and stupid.

[Wotan]

i am only working very few hours this week it will settle up before the tour ends.........

But wtf do I care about 50 dollars?

Go ahead and analyze them stats. Or set up one of them Big maw gangbangs to hunt me down..........

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[Oldman731]

Originally posted by BigGun
Wotan, obviously very good pilot in your big g10 :rolleyes

Heh heh.  I have observed that Wotan is a very good pilot in any plane he flies.  He may be misguided at times, but he's quite competent.

- oldman

[Elysian]

Lol wotan, this thread is too funny.  Some guys really got their panties in a wad eh?